Stecki Mobile dE

[Tony Pearce]

Has there been any word on when we'll get our hands on the Stecki Mobile from Driver's Emporium????

http://www.driversemporium.com/zzz/sneaky.htm

[L(Oo)ney]

Hopefully never - It's fugly. Plenty of better designs to add before that thing.. ;)

[RichardTowler]

Headlines: LFS Beats rfactor in most ugly car competition

[inCogNito]

Has there been any word on when we'll get our hands on the Stecki Mobile from Driver's Emporium????

http://www.driversemporium.com/zzz/sneaky.htm

since the dE shop has closed its doors and was bought by iRacing, there probably won't be any special LFS event anymore.

[Fordman]

fugly

What a Great Word. Me adds to ones Dictionary

[Cue-Ball]

Unlike everyone else here, I actually think that concept car looks pretty cool. But if LFS is going to add a car, the last thing we need is another open wheeler. How about a V8 sedan? How about an off-road truck? How about some sort of drag car?

There are a ton of better options to add, IMO.

[Gunn]

I have cleaned some off-topic posts from this thread.

Despite the existance of so many varied points of view, many not entirely related to the topic's title, the LFS Forum is probably not the most suitable place for people to air their grievances.

Members can continue to discuss the topic without biting each other too hard please. Please do be passionate about your point of view, but please choose words more carefully.

Remember, on this forum we are here for LFS. :eclipseeh

thanks everyone :wave23d:

[KiDCoDEa]

welcome to rsc.

old habits?

fresh is not so fresh after all.
please respect the art of a good witty charmful brawl. you have overdeleted. in fact its not the ot matter, its that the matter is sensitive to your other position isnt it?

how about telling the truth?

my first post was totally on topic wether u like it or not. and i aint here to please you.

this forum already sux for not letting people express their opinions on topic matters. about the personal attacks after i didnt complain, i didnt report it, i can take it. feel free to leave it.

delete mods, not posts.

[L(Oo)ney]

I have cleaned some off-topic posts from this thread.

Despite the existance of so many varied points of view, many not entirely related to the topic's title

All of it was on-topic - It was all about the stecki mobile and drivers emporium and LFS. :thumbsdow

Who had a problem with it? - The ones who are affiliated with dE no doubt.

[Richard Torp]

I have cleaned some off-topic posts from this thread.

Despite the existance of so many varied points of view, many not entirely related to the topic's title, the LFS Forum is probably not the most suitable place for people to air their grievances.

Members can continue to discuss the topic without biting each other too hard please. Please do be passionate about your point of view, but please choose words more carefully.

Remember, on this forum we are here for LFS. :eclipseeh

thanks everyone :wave23d:

And were did you hide these posts? You didn`t just deleted them, did you?

[inCogNito]

maybe we should just open a new thread about dE and the shop :)

that way it would be on topic!

[Richard Torp]

maybe we should just open a new thread about dE and the shop :)

that way it would be on topic!

NO moderator should delete anything...he could have moved it. But seems like this begins to look like RSC forum...
But just as you know from now on...no one must write anything negative on Microsoft, Sony, ISI, and so on...threads willl be deleted by Moderator...

I wonder how many threads that is 100% on-topic...

Edit: You could give Me a explanation why you deletes my posts. It took me time to write it and ALL i said was 100% true - i can show you some evidence. Why did you choose to delete the negative words for dE? Will you delete posts in the future that is negative for other companys all over the world?. Why not bring the negative posts on dE in off-topic forum?
How many post have you deleted in other threads? Is this a common thing?

[Tweaker]

I don't see what the difference is with a point of view on say... something else, example:

Member A - "I don't like the way cars slide, please fix the physics devs!!!"
Member B - "What?!!? The phsyics are fine I love them!! You are stupid, go back to playing NFS"
etc etc....

Many people didn't agree with the car, and the whole viewpoint of what dE established as 'their' brand... not to mention the dissatisfaction of not getting what they paid for. If it were really off-topic, then everyone would be talking about why Coke is better than Pepsi, or why did Billy eat that dirty apple.... something stupid like that.

So it seems right to think that you don't want to see this 'Stecki Car' in the game, people don't like its appeal just as much as dE's.... ? That's all I can make of this. I don't see how it wasn't on topic, they are related in some way. Now this thread will just be talking about the deleted posts, and repeat itself :o

So anyways... in my attempt, I'll say again... the Steck Mobile is a bad idea for LFS. LFS represents a realistic and believable racing simulator, not something that takes an image like that of a F-Zero game for Nintendo.... If we want newer and faster cars, lets stick to cars that are techinically feasible, and not all just design and flash.

[Akuma66]

wow, said I enjoyed what I got from 'em and still got deleted. Sweet :smileypul
/on topic - I dont like the Stecki car, doesnt feel right.

[RichardTowler]

All of it was on-topic - It was all about the stecki mobile and drivers emporium and LFS. :thumbsdow

Who had a problem with it? - The ones who are affiliated with dE no doubt.

please don';t get banned L(Oo)ney, last time you got banned from 'RSC,' they banned me too, and thought you where my evil brother, don't want this happening here :))

[L(Oo)ney]

:uglyhamme

[Gunn]

Well excuse me. The discussion was supposed to be about Stecki's car. Clearly only a handful of posts were on topic. And all this "RSC" crap? Leave it alone, you are WAY off the mark. I have no (and never will have) any affiliation with dE in any way. Have not been involved with it in any way, and have not even laid eyes on their forum for well over six months. My actions were simply a task of moderation.

NO posts were deleted of course, simply moved from the topic. If you want to discuss who didn't recieve what sox when and who got ripped off by whom you'll have a difficult time convincing me that a topic about a 3D model is the appropriate place for it. To make matters worse you can all so easily rip into me publicly but only ONE of you had the decency to even ask what had occured and why. Do NOT paint me with that same old faded and worn RSC brush, I take that as the gravest insult.

If you have a problem or question with any action I perform here then you should be man enough to discuss it with me instead of tossing the same old cliche insults from the sidelines. I am truly surprised by this reaction to a simple moderating task. Not only have people jumped to rediculous conclusions, but many of you have taken a run-up to do so.

Talk about a storm in a teacup.

[L(Oo)ney]

So why are you not removing all the other off-topic posts out of other threads?

This one, for example...http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=1323&page=1

Pictures of scawen with his hand down a hole has nothing to do with a progress report for LFS. Surely those should be removed aswell...:really:

[Gunn]

So why are you not removing all the other off-topic posts out of other threads?

This one, for example...http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=1323&page=1

Pictures of scawens kitchen has nothing to do with a progress report for LFS. Surely those should be removed aswell...:really:Take it in context L(Oo)ney, I won't rise to your bait.

[Fetzo]

hmmmm, i think moderators should only interfere if a post includes really really mean insults.....

just leave the posters alone. the best moderators are the ones you don't notice. you don not have to do something, just to justify your status.

[Gunn]

The post DID contain insults and complaints WERE made. At 4am in the morning when nobody else is around and a heated discussion is propagating itself, AND I get complaints, AND the original question is not being addressed, the safest and best moderating action which considers the membership as a whole, not just as individuals is to move the posts to a safe location pending further scrutiny.

If I do nothing at all in this situation then those who complained are just being discarded, so some action must be considered in any case.

Removing only the potentially offending posts is unfair on those members, if I am to consider this as a free and open discussion, so I lose again.

Locking the thread would just be rediculous and unfair to the author of the topic. I lose again.

Deleting the topic, besides being something that I never done here or in other places that some people seem to incline, is not even allowed on said forum and has never been considered here as far as I can tell.

As I say, I performed a moderating action, it is not irreversable, it is not a personal decision, it is a mechanical one. And if you, like me, have at least atttempted to consider all of these possible outcomes then perhaps you, like me, would also have erred on the side of caution, posted a friendly response (not some power-trip induced ban or slapping) and moved the damned posts to a place where they could be considered by staff.

The original topic could continue as the author intended and I am clearly available and as many of you know completely approachable!

[Tweaker]

Well the author asked if there is any word when we will get the Stecki mobile. I have a feeling we will never see it, maybe from people's thoughts on the whole 'exclusive to dE' car idea... but it is upto the devs to make this all happen, and I have my doubts they will do so. I personally don't see it happening sort of, since iRacing bought the shop, and since we haven't heard much news of anything related to LFS really :(. Drivers Emporium was planning to make it a mod of sorts to only be run by them, their own series I guess. But since the shop has changed ever since this idea's conception, it probably will never happen now. Most people don't like the design, some do. :shrug:

For the people that wanted to see this... well maybe Stecki will model it for the game when modding is open to the public in S3 sometime :o

[Racer Y]

LOL gee gunn you totally changed the topic of this thread by deleting posts lol... but you do have a point, Just what does not getting Socks have to do
with having some funky car?. It would've been nice if you didn't kill my original
post to this thread... I know i sorta spun off topic with it, but i thought it was at least sorta related.... after all with what happened to dE, it's pretty obvious
it affected the stecki car, so how will that affect the billboards that are
already in place?... do you see the link here? or should this be a new thread cause it is a serious question. and it does pertain to more to LFS, not dE.

[Gunn]

Nothing is "killed". I removed the entire body of posts as a conversation and it remains available as a body of posts without exclusion or censorship. Even the positive comments were included, it wasn't a descriminatory action, my apologies if it seemed so. As stated, I responded the way I did for what I see as relevant reasons and I have not deleted anyone's words. The issue I face now is addressing the complaints made about the topic. I had already responded to the one person who bothered to discuss it with me and I let them know that their post was still available if they wished to retrieve it. I had two reasons for the action and both remain valid. If any member wishes to retrieve their post and repost it in the topic that exists in the off topic forum, then I am happy to provide you with your quote. However the only way I can address the protests to the conversation is if our members refrain from personal insults and slander towards each other and others, even if they feel passionate about it, which many obviously do. Insults, deserved or not, cause fights and flaming. We all know this surely? I had no idea dE had left such a bad taste in so many mouths, as I stated, my back had been turned towards that direction for some time now. Looks like I wasn't alone. Having seen how emotive the whole topic has made people is really concerning and I don't mean to detract from your rights to be cheesed-off big time, and to say so.

[KiDCoDEa]

just undo all the action u did here while there is time? bring back my posts. thanks.

[XCNuse]

get some rest..
amazing what no sleep can do to a person .. happens to the best of us

speaking of the dE car... like tweak said a long whiles ago.. "it looks like a boat" which.. i have to agree lol.. still plus, i dont want to have some concept car in LFS really (not.. speaking RA type concept car, but something that is completely out of this world and just plain unreal)

so ya..

[DodgeRacer]

get some rest..
amazing what no sleep can do to a person .. happens to the best of us

speaking of the dE car... like tweak said a long whiles ago.. "it looks like a boat" which.. i have to agree lol.. still plus, i dont want to have some concept car in LFS really (not.. speaking RA type concept car, but something that is completely out of this world and just plain unreal)

so ya..
Yeah i fear it would really take away some of its simulation shine, but a concept car wouldnt be totaly out of line, somthing that could be real but is just the LFS devs dream car, if they dont already have it in lfs :)

[Gunn]

get some rest..
amazing what no sleep can do to a person .. happens to the best of us.I have plenty of sleep thanks.

just undo all the action u did here while there is time? bring back my posts. thanks.Sorry, but I am not prepared to do that. I can return your original post to you and if you wish to comment on your opinion of the Stecki car then this is the place. If you wish to continue airing your retail greivances about dE the there is a topic in the off-topic section where you are welcome to continue that line of discussion.

Stecki, who drew a piece of automotive concept art, BR, who were (still are) an LFS racing team and Tony Pearce, who asked the question about the car (this topic), are probably not responsible for people's dE retail woes so I don't think they should have to endure the complaints of others in this topic nor defend themselves here nor be lumped in with those whom some members may have a real beef with.
(http://member.php?u=63226)

[finnerss]

This Stecki thing would simply be the ugliest add-on to a wonderful game :(

[Rumiko]

What's so unrealistic about the stecki mobile? i'm not a car designer, never been one.
It does have an unconventional look, though I wouldn't call it ugly.

[Scawen]

To everyone who is concerned about the posts being removed :

Please give Gunn a break, don't bash him for this. He is moderating here and doing a really great job, one that is unpaid, takes quite a lot of time and thought, and gets very few compliments. Now, on one occasion, in some people's opinion, he has overstepped the mark, because he moved some posts to a "safe" location.

Why, because the thread had gone off topic, with *arguments* and *insults* thrown in. Some of which were unnecessary.

Gunn has said that he can send any of you the text of your posts, on request, so you can re-post in in the off-topic section. What could be fairer than that? Please take it easy on him because it's not an easy job, moderating, and even though this is done in a relaxed way here, sometimes, the moderator is destined to step in when things get "ugly". And by "ugly" i don't mean, the genuine discussions about dE problems - i'm talking about when people start insulting eachother - not pretty on the forum and they should use PMs instead for personal insults! :)

[Fordman]

OK lets wrap this thread up. We are not getting that fugly ( see, knew I would I get to use it somewhere :smileypul ) car, I think thats been made clear. It was just a concept, an Idea, that never happened.

So Lets Move on here Peeps.:D

[axus]

Just looking at it, it looks like something that is trying to be aerodynamic - something sketched by a 14 year old who has no idea about car dynamics... it looks like a car whos form does not follow function. Frankly, I'm glad that we won't be getting it because it was probably designed without any research or anything - it would have been a a flaw in what is otherwise a great simulation because everything is so extermely well researched before implemented. Hopefully the devs give Orion a chance to put his RA GTR in :smileypul
This mad creation and a few other cars designed by RSC community experts will be available for you to drive exclusively in the upcoming "Driver's Series"

[ORION]

I think Scawen is very right with what he said, because being a moderator always gives you responsibility for the others, and as soon as you have this kind of power, you will automatically have friends and enemies, no matter how good you do your job, simply because you cant suit everybody :)

He would be doing much worse moderator job if he did nothing at all istead of just reading and writing every now and then, as all the normal users do, and in the end people would be unhappy either, and in addition to that, the forum wouly be much messier.


[EDIT]
Hopefully the devs give Ian.H a chance to put his RA GTR in :smileypulHas he also done one? Link maybe?

[axus]

I meant yours sry, gonna correct my post above... I haven't been around for a while and I've forgotten - I thought it was his.

[KiDCoDEa]

Please get the posts back.

Please tell us the truth. Why cant you allow people to express their view on DE?

i dont like to be in a place where i have my tongue cut at will and at the interest of some background interest.
u deleted my first post, no reason for that. well i find a few but none are satisfactory coz they all have to do with your other position. how about spilling the beans.
i dont give anyone a break when people dont give me a break to start with and cause the mess all by themselves. u got praise from me when u were discrete but this is unacceptable.
get back my posts and everyone elses.

[KiDCoDEa]

To everyone who is concerned about the posts being removed :

Please give Gunn a break, don't bash him for this. He is moderating here and doing a really great job, one that is unpaid, takes quite a lot of time and thought, and gets very few compliments. Now, on one occasion, in some people's opinion, he has overstepped the mark, because he moved some posts to a "safe" location.

Why, because the thread had gone off topic, with *arguments* and *insults* thrown in. Some of which were unnecessary.

Gunn has said that he can send any of you the text of your posts, on request, so you can re-post in in the off-topic section. What could be fairer than that? Please take it easy on him because it's not an easy job, moderating, and even though this is done in a relaxed way here, sometimes, the moderator is destined to step in when things get "ugly". And by "ugly" i don't mean, the genuine discussions about dE problems - i'm talking about when people start insulting eachother - not pretty on the forum and they should use PMs instead for personal insults! :)

un-necessary for you in your high position, with your high position experience.
that thread had the peoples experience, dont pretend to have all their experiences as your own. DONT SAY WHATS UNNECESSARY OR NOT FOR EACH POSTER ON YOUR FORUM. YOU DONT KNOW BETTER THAN THE POSTER ON YOUR FORUM WHATS NECESSARY FOR THEM TO EXPRESS OR NOT.
if you cant take discussions, dont open a forum. if you are gonna randomly delete whole threads as soon as someone from anotehr forum comes here to stir things up and after it being stired, complains like a baby for the reaction he got, u better start another forum somewhere else.
fast. and better finetune those reasons for deletion with your rsc lovin mod. he said it was about it being ot, which obviously is a fake reason. u said insults. there were none so bad that wouldnt cause many others threads to be instantly deleted also.
and dont give me that its not deleted, its moved bullshit. save it for the oratorium in some dictatorship. what matters to the people is what the people see. we see deletion. why should we even take the word from someone that already deleted our posts? is that how you treat your friends in your house?
u either want it community driven (with the good and bad) or if u wanna control things to this point im out and i hope many others. simply coz that would mean in 2005 there are still people that wouldnt like to contribute to an rsc part 2 were the posts are numbers and they only suit if they match the shady background guideline.

be honest, replace in the thread "dE" or "rsc" with "codemasters" or "some inocuous crap", AND THAT THREAD WOULD STILL BE HERE.

HAVE BALLS.

[Rumiko]

if you cant take discussions, dont open a forum.
This forum has rules. If you don't like the rules, don't sign up. It's that simple. Open your own private forum if you like and stop being a bother to the rest of this commnunity. Period.

[KiDCoDEa]

This forum has rules. If you don't like the rules, don't sign up. It's that simple. Open your own private forum if you like and stop being a bother to the rest of this commnunity. Period.

oh the mr-complain guy turns out to be i-speak-for-everyone guy. so u came here to bash 3y old users didnt expect a reply and complain to mods coz you did eh?
dude, that this forum has rules i know, what i didnt know is that illibates you from following them. as you could see from my replies i didnt complain to mods, i simply replied to your posts. but dont make yaself the center of this cause you aint. the whole thread that got deleted is.
oh and period? that explains your original posts and the crying girl reaction.

[Scawen]

Right Kid. I won't argue with you on any specifics because i know that for each sentence i argue with you, i will get half a page of response back.

But it's a great pity you can't accept the request we made, to re-post the relevant things in the OT forum, and instead you want to make a scene. Do you not realise, you already have made your point before these latest posts and Gunn would probably have taken it into consideration in future. But now you are going too far.

It's a pity that you don't cut Gunn any slack whatsoever even though you respect his moderation up until this point. But guess what Kid, you really get a lot of slack cut for you around here, you often push the limit of what's acceptable, but you refuse to accept any disagreement with any of your opinions, without putting up a massive fight! :(

Please, stop now, go and post whatever you want to about dE in the OT forum. Request back your text from Gunn if you need to. He has said he'll send you your text on request. Let's all try to keep the peace, not stir up trouble.

[KiDCoDEa]

Right Kid. I won't argue with you on any specifics because i know that for each sentence i argue with you, i will get half a page of response back.

you gonna argue with me on what? since when is my point here of common knowledge? why dont u stick to what you know and what you do so well? it was a whole thread of peoples views and self experiences on de and its famed car introduction.
what specifics were you really gonna discuss with me or us (since it was a whole bunch of guys that got posts deleted) , if your werent, sadly, scared about the size of things like a scared virgin in front of her first one-eyed snake? looking at the world, i suspect, even virgins dont give up.
In this case i do understand u giving up on a size-of-reply excuse since there is nothing to discuss. You either allow us to type about the topic or not. Since topic was mainly about dE car and the experiences it brought to people, you either type your own, read others, or just ignore the thread.


But it's a great pity you can't accept the request we made, to re-post the relevant things in the OT forum, and instead you want to make a scene. Do you not realise, you already have made your point before these latest posts and Gunn would probably have taken it into consideration in future. But now you are going too far.

First of all, if there is any request here, its mine. bring back the posts.
Second when you say "we" i didnt realize any team in here, i see 2 mods giving 2 dif reasons for a deletion action (both unsatisfactory). But thats peanuts and its not my prob.
I cant repost everything out of memory, nor would i do such an effort, and much less for all the others. Its just beyond my capacity.
As i suspect u understand , posts only have meaning inside threads.
bring back the posts.


It's a pity that you don't cut Gunn any slack whatsoever even though you respect his moderation up until this point. But guess what Kid, you really get a lot of slack cut for you around here, you often push the limit of what's acceptable, but you refuse to accept any disagreement with any of your opinions, without putting up a massive fight! :(

I respect anyone for its actions and disrespect anyone for its actions. Basically, im suspecting here, just like any other human being on the planet.
Feel free to point me to where you or your rscmod were so benevolent and samaritan with me in the past of this forum. Or better, this ill agora.
Funny people have such strict and judicial tendencies for others yet they cant even look into themselves first.
Massive fight? you mean the DISCUSSIONS themselves or any realworld beating? I have used weapons but i dont discuss anything with them.


Please, stop now, go and post whatever you want to about dE in the OT forum. Request back your text from Gunn if you need to. He has said he'll send you your text on request. Let's all try to keep the peace, not stir up trouble.

i stop what? requesting my posts back? no. i'll wont. thats preety obvious isnt it? i explained why back there. get my posts back here, 3rd and last time.
getting banned or not having my posts back is exactly the same. just means i lost all my respect for a place which i hoped was different than rsc.
i guess picking an rsc mod for it was like saying, no we really dig all that past. That was the good thing about it...
Even so, as u could see i gave all the room and praise one regular user could give to discrete moderation. As soon as it turned to the old crap (now), i stated it also. How would such a thing surprise you? Its not like im unpredictable or deceiving. clear, idealistic people usually aint.

And why shouldnt the mod admit who he is, what he does at rsc and why that maybe relevant to the whole thread deletion. Why are people so secret of their past allowed to erase other peoples views on things that might relate to that past.

Im sorry you've put your nose on this, but since u did and took side, my unrequested advice for authority sake, is that you stick to it. Everything was ok until a certain action happened. i didnt do that action. i protested and still am protesting against that action. and it wont be me making the next action either. but remember, everything in this world is about balance.

[Scawen]

...but remember, everything in this world is about balance.Yeah... now, that's some good advice! Think a bit about balance. A bit of give and take. :)

[bobvanvliet]

Right Kid. I won't argue with you on any specifics because i know that for each sentence i argue with you, i will get half a page of response back.

*Ridiculously long story*


Mmm, it seems Scawen is not only God, he can actually see into the future! :D

[jtr99]

My god, Kid. I would hate to see your response to something important.

[detail]

Ban the Kid. Nothing personal, just way too much noise. At least, this would save much time of both the Kid and the others.

[KiDCoDEa]

My god, Kid. I would hate to see your response to something important.

i understand your valid point.
thing is, as i explained already, this is something i recon small, but very representative and extrapolate-able to future experiences (therefore experiences i dont wanna have).
i guess i aint really used to being unbanned on lfs forum, sorry. dumb me thought i and others could post on titled topic. and discuss opinions in case anything to discuss in them existed. this seemed more like a background request than anything else. Would you like to contribute to a place that hinders and narrows your speech spectrum, erases tons of posts without warning, categorizes any protest you do as bashing or scene making, and above all, doesnt respect your input at a spasmatic random pace?

Within my naivity, i found it unnacceptable that thoughts and opinions are deleted, please dont do this in future.

speaking of future experiences, you guys should come join us on rfactor. here's a few quickies on the LFSMOD (http://www.liveforspeed.net/?page=screenshots) for rFactor.


ps: what is there to give when u given it all and took nothing back?

[ORION]

No offense, but if I were Gunn I would click delete again... I generally don't like agressive posts, except I wrote them LOL ;)

To make things easier, why don't kid and gunn discuss this by pm, maybe gunn sending kid his posts back, or the whole thread? Then he can do whatever he wants with them - post them again (even though they wont fit in this thread anymore) - read them again and write the whole text in real few words - or throw it away... whatever.

I dont know if it's really necessary to make so much trouble for a rather secondary thing... Just a few lines of text, who cares :P

[EDIT]
When people are with each other, there WILL always be trouble in a way, but compromizes and forgiving can help VERY much there. Just not seeing things too serious can make many things much easier.

And I dont only want to adress kid with that, for every conflict you need at least 2 people (like we learned from mummy :P)

[Richard Torp]

This forum has rules. If you don't like the rules, don't sign up. It's that simple. Open your own private forum if you like and stop being a bother to the rest of this commnunity. Period.

Hehe... i WAS INSIDE THE RULES, just to let you know that, but my posts was gone in the wind...after what i saw from Kid he was also inside..There was not much insulting in my post, only bad publicity for dE...nothing worse than critisice Microsoft etc. etc...Period...*LOL*

[Gavin UK]

pub anyone? :D

[tristancliffe]

To Gunn :thumbsup3

To not bashing people/teams/groups in a topic about a 3D car :thumbsup3

To allowing us to 'express' our feelings in the off-topic forum :thumbsup3

To KiDCoDEa (and this is NOT personal, so please don't be excessively offended) for going on and on about the same point when we've already been given a solution :thumbsdow

[Rumiko]

Hehe... i WAS INSIDE THE RULES, just to let you know that, but my posts was gone in the wind...after what i saw from Kid he was also inside..There was not much insulting in my post, only bad publicity for dE...nothing worse than critisice Microsoft etc. etc...Period...*LOL*
You should really speak to the moderator (pm) about your posts and reason for their removal. (You told me the same thing when we had an argument few months back at CRC, remember?)
As for Kid, he insults poeple on regular basis when they express an opinion he doesn't like. I don't really consider this to be inside rules and should be dealt with by the forum staff (IMO).

pub anyone? :D
Cheers :ernaehrun

[KiDCoDEa]

As for Kid, he insults poeple on regular basis when they express an opinion he doesn't like.

1) what was the "opinion" i didnt like

2) what was the insult i did for the "opinion" i didnt like.

3) regular basis? other than you trolling and constant unrequested personal views on others i dont see anything regular around here. oh and please hurry to report this reply to your usual mocking of others and not of their opinions.

[Chris_Kerry]

I suggest - lock this topic now, leave the one open in off-topic and let Gunn get on with his job :thumb:

[Richard Torp]

You should really speak to the moderator (pm) about your posts and reason for their removal.

Cheers :ernaehrun
I also DID that, sorry my friend...you are not quit sharp these days ... ;-)

[axus]

I am aware that I have not read your previous posts, Kid, but judging by the way you are acting now I can honestly say that it is a miracle that you have not been banned. You tell people that they should respect your oppinion but how about you do the same for them. You have a lot to reconsider and a lot to apologise for IMO... think about what you have said and how it has made you sound and maybe you will understand.

EDIT: And Richard Trop seems to be able to express his opinions in a perfectly civilized way - maybe you should do the same and people will take you more seriously. No one is "bashing" him while a whole lot of people - Developer, Moderator and community members - seem to be telling you there is something wrong with the way you are expressing your opinion. Maybe if everyone is telling you that you are doing something wrong, you are. (http://member.php?u=59363)

[Fetzo]

i am impressed that so many ppl want others to be banned, censored and such stuff. but no one is capable to vote off a wrecker on a public lfs server.

if you don't like what others are saying/posting, argue/ignore it or whatever. but don't censor it. it will just stir things up and in the end everyone is angry.

:thumb: to tristan having a very valueable opinion on EVERY topic in this forum. grats

[Tweaker]

Maybe a new patch or something would get this off people's minds, this has turned out worse than I thought it would :o And I didn't expect this new LFS Forum to be like this either... it has been so polite and friendly up until now (from what I've seen). :really: