Extremely Long GP

[reidry]

This is my first post on the LFSforum. I love the game, bought S2 after the demo got me hooked, purchased a NIB Momo (red) and loving it!

I just finished watching "Top Gear" on Speedvision and they had a segment on the Nuremburgring. They mentioned the fact that the track is over 13 miles in length and has over 140 turns. I know the nature of LFS doesn't allow the purchase of rights to use the ring track configuration, but I thought a really long complicated track could add an interesting venue to S2. The statement that really got me to thinking was when they mentioned people that had raced the track for 5, 10, etc. years kept coming back because of it's unique challenge with hidden corners, very neutral non-descript marking in the various segments.

Don't be too hard on me.

VR

Ryan

[Huru-aito]

I'd like a long, challenging track as well. With huge elevations, off camber corners etc.

:thumb:

[GP4Flo]

That's why I'd like to have a track editor for LFS. :)

[the_angry_angel]

Nice idea. Would certainly make hotlapping interesting :D

[avih]

Fern Bay Black, Aston Historic/GP and Kyoto GP are long. Not 13 miles long, but still, they take time to master. especially with every car ;)

But yes, I'd like to see a very long track too on lfs )

[AndroidXP]

I like that idea, but it's probably a lot of work, and I guess Eric is on his holidays too now ;)

[inCogNito]

it's still called "nürburgring" ;)

maybe you should say "nordschleife", might be easier to type for you :)

[Qurpiz]

Fern Bay Black, Aston Historic/GP and Kyoto GP are long. Not 13 miles long, but still, they take time to master. especially with every car ;)

But yes, I'd like to see a very long track too on lfs )

We could have a track that's about 13 km long in KyotoRing. Just combine the GP-course and the infield section. There would be only one corner that needs a bit editing.

(hint for Eric :) )

[MyBoss]

Fern Bay Black, Aston Historic/GP and Kyoto GP are long. Not 13 miles long, but still, they take time to master. especially with every car ;)

But yes, I'd like to see a very long track too on lfs )


FE Black is definately the hardest track of those to master, lots of very hard and tricky turns. Not that the KY track or the Aston track is easy, but the Black version of FE is just in a league of its own imo.

But I would really like a long track as well, I'm happy with the Aston GP, but I would love a track which is much longer, and have more overtaking turns.

[XCNuse]

:S wow! im not alone! someone else stayed up late to watch that

... gonna suck when i get to schoool i'll fall asleep lol

i love top gear, what a great show
anyways.. yes, some huge track that takes over 5 minutes to do.. im in!

[DodgeRacer]

nürburgring is the most kick ass track in the world, i would LOVE to take a car around that place, If it was in LFS my head would explode, (if not from that, from the 30min laps in the uf1)


btw, top gear is awsome :D

[Shotglass]

they had a segment on the Nuremburgring.

(sadly) its the nuerburgring and not the nuremburgring :(

it certainly is a nicce track ... but since the slightest mistake will get you a few feet below ground level im not sure if its a good idea to include that sort of track in a online sim ... imagine having to pootle some 20 km to get back to the pits after the usual t1 wrecking havoc ...

Nice idea. Would certainly make hotlapping interesting :D

especially in the uf1 ...

[MyBoss]

Here is the awesome track itself.

http://www.heiser.net/media/2002.09.nurburgring/nurburgring_map_color.jpg

[Bob Smith]

We could have a track that's about 13 km long in KyotoRing. Just combine the GP-course and the infield section. There would be only one corner that needs a bit editing.

(hint for Eric :) )

Really? Sweet. :D



Edit:
Just looked at South City and there's still another combo we could have.
Classic
Sprint 1
Spring 2
Classic + Sprint 1 + Sprint 2 = Long
Classic + Sprint 2 = Town Course (or Long - Sprint 1)
Classic + Sprint 1 = ???? (or Long - Sprint 2) ... would be a very fast config

Fern Bay also has the possibility of two more combos:
Black - Club
Gold - Club

Probably get another one out of Aston somehow too, hard to see without the nice track maps on the LFS website.

[reidry]

I apologize for my spelling. Good to see I'm not off base on the basic idea though.

VR

Ryan

[Michel 4AGE]

Would be awesome if we had a track like the Nordschleife

Anyway for those who haven't seen JC @ Nordschleife with the Jaguar, I'm currently uploading it, good quality,70Mb.

Done : www.jpc-board.nl/Movies/TGRing.wmv

[CHR20000]

maybe a second configuration of westhill would make it
maybe with some obstacles in the "!nfield" :D or an 8-crossing with a bridge

[tristancliffe]

(sadly) its the nuerburgring and not the nuremburgring :(

Even more sadly, it's called the Nürburgring ;)

[ColeusRattus]

Even more sadly, it's called the Nürburgring ;)

Yupp, you're right. BUT it is also correct to write it like Nuerburgring, as "umlauts" are not used in every language using the latin letters. So, "ä" can be written as "ae", "ö" as "oe" and "ü" as "ue" :P

I beat Tristan! YAY!


EDIT: But to contribute to the topic: I too think that a long track would be nice. Would be quite interesting for pit strategies too, I think, as you are not that flexible as on shorter curcuits.

[tpa]

Yupp, you're right. BUT it is also correct to write it like Nuerburgring, as "umlauts" are not used in every language using the latin letters. So, "ä" can be written as "ae", "ö" as "oe" and "ü" as "ue" :P

I beat Tristan! YAY!


EDIT: But to contribute to the topic: I too think that a long track would be nice. Would be quite interesting for pit strategies too, I think, as you are not that flexible as on shorter curcuits.

and "ß" can be written as "ss" :D Harr, I beat Coleus which means a also beat Tristan ;)


but back to topic: Yes, I want the Nürburgring in LFS too :D

[Shotglass]

Fern Bay also has the possibility of two more combos:
Black - Club
Gold - Club

there are a few others i could think of ...
how about rallycross + the rxgreen start/finish line straight
or black and green with the "mini oval" included
or maybe club with a longer s/f straight (theres a patch of asphalt at fe that links the club s/f straight to the gold underpass)
and i guess you could easily come up with more combinations

Probably get another one out of Aston somehow too, hard to see without the nice track maps on the LFS website.

loads actually ...
2 versions of club + national
cadet + the historic loop
only the historic loop
hist + parts of nat an club
etc

as discussed in another tthread ... i want the ability to roam the environments freely and creat track with the au editor

Even more sadly, it's called the Nürburgring ;)

yeah but the umlaute are like way over there to the right of my keyboard ... totally out of reach :)

and "ß" can be written as "ss" :D Harr, I beat Coleus which means a also beat Tristan ;)

and ever since the rechtschreibreform we can write any german word in any way that remotely resembles the word

[ColeusRattus]

and "ß" can be written as "ss" :D Harr, I beat Coleus which means a also beat Tristan ;)


but back to topic: Yes, I want the Nürburgring in LFS too :D

Well, first of all, I never said that you couldn't use "ss" for a "ß". Secondly, the "ss" is not the right substitute. It just was used that much that people said it was right too. But in the Austrian burocracy for example, if you are not able to type "ß", you have to use "sz", which would be the ture substitute.
This is because words with "ss" and "ß" are differently pronounced. The former with a short vowel, the latter with a long vowel.

And I successfully defended my title as Defeater of Tristan.

But I will not answer to any other challanges, as I do not want his Topic to go OT completely, because I really like the idea of having very long tracks... allthough I havent seen the ones in game already

EDIT: And I would prefer to be abrreviated as "Rattus", as "Coleus" could be translated to the German word "Beutel"...

[DodgeRacer]

Personaly I would enjoy a longer version of West Hill, I think the currently layout is superb, but I wish there was at least one longer variant or one shorter variant, and with hopefully a very very long straight leading to a very tight hairpin, because we dont have much of that with any of the tracks, aston comes close but its more of a curve than a hairpin, i made tracks for nascar 2003 and that type of situation almost always made for good racing :)

[ORION]

I have already taken a video in Austria with an awesome open road track which would be damn nice as snow inferno rally stage :D
very nice and tricky turns, just gotta ask my father where he has his cassettes, so I can upload it :)
I made it a year ago or so...

So if there WILL be an editor, I will be there to implement this track :D

[tristancliffe]

I only used the Umlaut because I did a Google search of Nurburgring to double check my spelling. This means that google is in fact at fault (slightly), and therefore I remain undefeated.

Hurrah!

[MyBoss]

I only used the Umlaut because I did a Google search of Nurburgring to double check my spelling. This means that google is in fact at fault (slightly), and therefore I remain undefeated.

Hurrah!


It feels great to have right all the time, dosen't it? But it gets kinda lonely after a while though :schwitz:

[sil3ntwar]

I had this same idea last night. We need a huge track in a forest or something with many many undulations and no big run offs.

[tristancliffe]

No, not always. I just like the game :P

[MyBoss]

When I'm bored in my class I try to draw this huge racing circuit.

I am planing to make it in three variations. Two of them is going to go in the stadium area, and the last track version will go in a wood behind the stadium area. Half of the long version will be in the woods, and the rest in the " stadium area", maybe more than half in the woods to.

the stadium section will look very new compared to the woods section, because the stadium have been renewed the last years (my imagination), while the old part is from the 60s. The stadium area will have some hard and interesting turns, while the woods section will be dominated by fast straights.

I have put in three very tight and slow turns before the finishing straight so that if you are racing faster cars (with downforce) it is easy to get the hang of the guy infront of you.

When I'm imaginating this track in my head it looks absolutely stunning. The longest version of the track will take anything between 4 and 5 mins to finish in the big GTR class cars (in my head). And did I mention that the track will have big altitude differences?

Aaaah, if I only had been a millionaire, then I would have paid to get this track in the game.

[bLaCk VaMpIrE]

maybe S3 will only be a track update only for nuerburgring an other configs.. and...i would pay another 18€ only for the nuerburgring ;)
or just let them build S3 and the we maybe can hope of a S4 ;)

[Boris Lozac]

.i would pay another 18€ only for the nuerburgring ;)


Me too..!

[RBSteve]

Even more sadly, it's called the Nürburgring ;)

Actually, one can score extra points by just refering to it as the Nordschleife. Most ring-heads do, in order to avoid confusing it with the modern Nürburgring F1-track. :)

Seriously, it would be great with a pseudo-nordschleife track. But I don't think it can be done by just adding together racetracks. It's not just about the distance, I believe the surrounding terrain is part of the magic as well. But I've never driven on in in real life so I'm just guessing.

[RacingSimFan]

Our heroes (the LFS Devs) have said in interviews that they would be interested in securing licenses if it is worthwhile.

As the Nordschleife currently only appears on PS2 games Gran Turismo 4 and Project Gotham Racing 2, there is no holder of a PC license for it.

Wouldn't it be a dream come true if LFS could secure a license for the whole Nurburgring complex? In keeping with the tradition of having major venues divided up into sub layouts, the Nurburgring could easily be divided into the following layouts:

Grand Prix (the present F1 track)
Sprint (using the hairpin that bypasses the Dunlop curve section)
Public (Nordschleife in public day configuration)
24H (Nordschleife + Grand Prix)

That would be worth its weight in gold!!!

[Boris Lozac]

As i said, i would pay the price as much ad needed, to LFS obtain that licence.. but i have no idea how much money is that..

[Gunn]

Would be fun for sure. In reality the Nordschleife was deemed too dangerous for racing and ambulance help was too long in arriving due to the topography and distances involved. So maybe if we could stick a few extra 3D ambulances around such a large track it would be best ;)

[1993S14]

This is my first post on the LFSforum. I love the game, bought S2 after the demo got me hooked, purchased a NIB Momo (red) and loving it!

I just finished watching "Top Gear" on Speedvision and they had a segment on the Nuremburgring. They mentioned the fact that the track is over 13 miles in length and has over 140 turns. I know the nature of LFS doesn't allow the purchase of rights to use the ring track configuration, but I thought a really long complicated track could add an interesting venue to S2. The statement that really got me to thinking was when they mentioned people that had raced the track for 5, 10, etc. years kept coming back because of it's unique challenge with hidden corners, very neutral non-descript marking in the various segments.

Don't be too hard on me.

VR

Ryan

hey thanks...now I know what I missed yestarday from top gear.. :irked: :Kick_Can_

[bLaCk VaMpIrE]

lfs could also get very well-know due the nordschleife.
lol.. maybe the presenter of "top gear" can get a little more practise then ;)

Edit: but i think nordschleife first makes sence after S3 because of the weather and hopefully night race

[dawesdust_12]

Theres another FE combo, you could add that hairpin thats at the chicaneish section (T2 at FE green

[MyBoss]

Our heroes (the LFS Devs) have said in interviews that they would be interested in securing licenses if it is worthwhile.

As the Nordschleife currently only appears on PS2 games Gran Turismo 4 and Project Gotham Racing 2, there is no holder of a PC license for it.

Wouldn't it be a dream come true if LFS could secure a license for the whole Nurburgring complex? In keeping with the tradition of having major venues divided up into sub layouts, the Nurburgring could easily be divided into the following layouts:

Grand Prix (the present F1 track)
Sprint (using the hairpin that bypasses the Dunlop curve section)
Public (Nordschleife in public day configuration)
24H (Nordschleife + Grand Prix)

That would be worth its weight in gold!!!


Thats a great idea. Would give some attention to LFS to just because of teh track.

[bobvanvliet]

This would be cool, I agree. Just rememeber that it's not just a case of obtaining a license and bang! it's in the game. A track like the nurburgring will cost Eric many hours to model...

[bLaCk VaMpIrE]

but they would be worth it.

[Michel 4AGE]

Just try to imagine going through the Karussel with the GTi
+200km/u through Schwedenkreuz with the FZR
Airborne @ Pflanzgarten with almost every car

hmmm pure sex :D

[bLaCk VaMpIrE]

burning over the Doettinger Hoehe with the gtr`s @ 290 km/h ...:nana:

wah.. im spamming too much in this thread^^

[Boris Lozac]

No. really... we should suggest this to the devs.. i was SOO serious about paying for Nordschleife... i am sure that others would to.. So much better to have an official Nordschleife, then 3d party..

[Vain]

I will propably give any amount of money that is required. In fact the only reason not to license LFS is that it doesn't have the Nordschleife.

Vain

[avih]

I will propably give any amount of money that is required. In fact the only reason not to license LFS is that it doesn't have the Nordschleife.

Vain
sorry mate, not good enough reason ;)

[MyBoss]

No. really... we should suggest this to the devs.. i was SOO serious about paying for Nordschleife... i am sure that others would to.. So much better to have an official Nordschleife, then 3d party..


How about a guy the community trists set up a donation tingy. Where we all can donate, and when we reach a given amount of money we donate it all to the devs. So they can buy the ring.

Of course we need to talk to the devs first.

[Cue-Ball]

I'd like a long, challenging track as well. With huge elevations, off camber corners etc.

:thumb:

I could care less about the Nurburgring specifically. It would be fun, but it doesn't bother me to not have it. I would definitely love to see a track or two with very large elevation changes. Something like Laguna or Bathurst would be great. However; I think a few of the tracks are pretty damn long as they are, so I'm pretty content with the current LFS tracks just the way they are.

[Cue-Ball]

I will propably give any amount of money that is required. In fact the only reason not to license LFS is that it doesn't have the Nordschleife.

Vain

Are you kidding me? The best racing game on the planet and you won't shell out a few bucks for it because of ONE TRACK? If there's not enough content in the game already for you to pay for it, there will never be enough.

[Cue-Ball]

How about a guy the community trists set up a donation tingy. Where we all can donate, and when we reach a given amount of money we donate it all to the devs. So they can buy the ring.

Of course we need to talk to the devs first.

Wasn't it determined that licensing this track would cost upwards of $100,000? Given that there are only about 900 racers online it would take everyone donating over $100 just for this one track. I don't think there are enough donations in the world to get this track into LFS.

[Qurpiz]

This is the configuration for KY that I was talking about. The distance would be about 12-14 kms, and would only require one area to be edited a bit.
So, please Eric, consider this configuration. I'm sure Endurance league would like it.

original aerial pic by andylec.

[bobvanvliet]

I like that very much! It's nice and long, but it also looks quite manageable to drive.

It would add a lot of value/fun to the game at a minimum labour cost.

[XCNuse]

!!!!!!!! MMMM I LOVE!! QURP

anyways speaking of the ring; rumors have it that the price to license it is around 75,000 british pounds

OOOOOOOOOPS! lol

forgot to add some 0's

[Boris Lozac]

75 pounds!? ;) I'll pay for it myself!! :)

[GeForz]

This is the configuration for KY that I was talking about. The distance would be about 12-14 kms, and would only require one area to be edited a bit.
So, please Eric, consider this configuration. I'm sure Endurance league would like it.

original aerial pic by andylec.
And where is the start/finish? :smash3d:

[bobvanvliet]

Next to the secondary pit-lane?

Aston has two grid places aswell, this would just be another minor change, next to the bottom corner.

[MyBoss]

And where is the start/finish? :smash3d:


The same place where it is on KY GP? lol

[Misko]

Would be awesome if we had a track like the Nordschleife

Anyway for those who haven't seen JC @ Nordschleife with the Jaguar, I'm currently uploading it, good quality,70Mb.

Done : www.jpc-board.nl/Movies/TGRing.wmv (http://www.jpc-board.nl/Movies/TGRing.wmv)

WOW

These guys know how to make a presentation. I don't regret downloading this for 3 days on a modem. ;) Even if I knew many things about Nordschleife this show got me all hyped up and inspired, I'm downloading now the track for Racer. ;)

I couldn't care less for the Jaguar but that woman is great. :D Reminds me of me when I'm teaching some buddies when they come over how to drive: "...accelerate, accelerate, ACCELERATE!... thats not really a corner" :) And in the end he was genuinely ecstatic when he did it under 10 minutes. :) Amazing.

Gotta remember to watch Top Gear, I always forget when its on. Thanks for this!

Oh and to stay a bit on topic: that guy talking about driving the track in Xbox game and then doing it for real, coming on one bumpy corner and "Oh my God! This wasn't in the game!" :) Actually that's quite dangerous isn't it. Being overconfident driving simulated track then getting a nasty and potentially disastrous surprise just because few bumps havent been modeled correctly. Always a trouble with real tracks. ;) I mean its never really real, its just too difficult to do it exactly right.

So this makes Eric's LFS tracks perfectly real - they don't exist anywhere else! When we drive Blackwood we REALLY DO drive Blackwood, not its copy cause this is IT. We don't pretend to be in Nuerburgring and play like we really drive it, we don't play a game hehe. ;)

[bobvanvliet]

So this makes Eric's LFS tracks perfectly real - they don't exist anywhere else! When we drive Blackwood we REALLY DO drive Blackwood, not its copy cause this is IT. We don't pretend to be in Nuerburgring and play like we really drive it, we don't play a game hehe. ;)
That's a nice way of looking at it :thumb: . Maybe when LFS takes over the world and someone tries to recreate BL in RL, we can all whine that the chicane is 3cm off :D .

[Qurpiz]

That's a nice way of looking at it :thumb: . Maybe when LFS takes over the world and someone tries to recreate BL in RL, we can all whine that the chicane is 3cm off :D .

I ensure you, when I win kabzillion euros in lottery, I'm going to build Kyoto Ring to Finland. Copy it inch by inch....

[bLaCk VaMpIrE]

lol... i would do that with aston^^

[Vain]

Are you kidding me? The best racing game on the planet and you won't shell out a few bucks for it because of ONE TRACK? If there's not enough content in the game already for you to pay for it, there will never be enough.I like LFS very much. I greatly enjoy it. I will propably even buy the S2-license. But I'm not going to buy it because the current content of LFS. If I am to buy a license I will do so purely for the reason that I sympathise with the developers for creating something like this on their own. I would do that without additional contents for the license.
But beside giving the developers money because I like their "Let's do a game"-attitude there is currently no reason in buying the S2 license. The Nordschleife would change this, though.

What is the point of racing (in reality and simulation) beside the Nordschleife?

Vain

[MyBoss]

What is the point of racing (in reality and simulation) beside the Nordschleife?


Having a blast?

[Cue-Ball]

But beside giving the developers money because I like their "Let's do a game"-attitude there is currently no reason in buying the S2 license. The Nordschleife would change this, though.

What is the point of racing (in reality and simulation) beside the Nordschleife?

So, the over 40 tracks and almost 20 cars aren't enough without that one track? Give me a break. Without buying the S2 license you're missing out on some of the best tracks ever created - real or imagined.

[CrazyBrit]

I know from first hand experience what the NurBurgring feels like, as i have driven it about 10 time in the last 4 years! I was overtaken by the lady instructor that did the Topgear program in the transit van!! She is F***ing quick! She holds the record for the quickest lap in a standard production car.

I would be awsome to have this track, or one similar, in lfs. Something with VERY long straights, but also tight turns, so you have to comprimise in some areas. Sharp elevation changes are also great fun: too much speed + too little wing = TAKEOFF!!!!!

This would make for an awsome combination!

I am going back to the ring in three weeks time, this time with my dads car....BMW 3 series Alpina! I just hope i make it round in one piece! i've only crashed once ........sofar!

[frokki]

This Nordschleife issue isn't quite realistic for a year or few more likely, but i'm sure the developer team would make the best Nürbu ever made in a computer game..

I just loved to have a blast in there with 60's F1 or Racer's BMW..
I've already promised myself to go there IRL within 10 years :p

[1993S14]

This is the configuration for KY that I was talking about. The distance would be about 12-14 kms, and would only require one area to be edited a bit.
So, please Eric, consider this configuration. I'm sure Endurance league would like it.

original aerial pic by andylec.

:iagree:

[steve]

How about a track that combines all of the tracks we have now? Like start on blackwood then it goes into fernbay, then into the city mayb,e etc etc? That should be a pretty long track :)

[DodgeRacer]

Problem with that is that the scenery doest mesh well, i really really like the idea of the KY combined track :)

[steve]

Then it'll need new scenery :)

[JeffR]

Nordschliefe came with Grand Prix Legends. Versions similar to this track are available for F1C99-02, GTR, NR2003, and some other games.

There are two basic layouts, on is 14.1 miles long, the other is 1.2 miles shorter, done by a link that by passes the old start/finish straight, uturn, and return straight. I made a picture showing this bypass link in red:

http://jeffareid.net/cgi-bin/nrd.jpg

Other changes since the 1967 version used in Grand Prix Legends include smoothing out some bumps, drops, and rises on the track.

Some fast lap times (I think this was on the 13 mile long layout):
Stefan Bellof - Porsche 956 - 6:11 in 1983 practice session.
Derek Bell - Porsche 956 - 6:26 during 1983 1000km race.

There's a on board video of Derek Bell doing a 6:41 lap at Nordschliefe, but I can't find it right now.

Estimated F1 lap time is under 6 minutes. This can be done with F1C99-02 on the 14.1 mile course (I've done a few 5:55's).

The longest race track circuit (ignoring 1000km Baja type events), is probaly Ilse of Mann. They run motorcycle time trials there once a year. It's 37.75 miles long, and is fairly fast. In recent years, top lap times are just below 18 minutes, 126+mph average. It's dangerous, and the fatality rate is pretty high, but then again, so is Nordschleife when it's open to the public as a toll road (mostly motorcycle fatalities, armco is not good for motorcycles).

[avih]

the clip's here:
http://forum.needforbetterspeed.net/index.php?showtopic=14593

[MyBoss]

poor quality on that vid. But still extremely funny to watch.

Exhausting track.

[Bob Smith]

Yeah I've been a passenger in a lap around the (original) TT circuit, it does go on for ever. Some lovely scenery too. Pretty hairy though. Thankfully the Isle of Mann doesn't have speed limits (apart from in towns), so you can gun it on the straightier bits. The new circuit is somewhat short, but still...

I don't think that track has ever been in a game, but the considering you'd have to model the entire island that's understandable. Well if Eric ever gets bored...

[avih]

Yeah I've been a passenger in a lap around the (original) TT circuit, it does go on for ever. Some lovely scenery too. Pretty hairy though. Thankfully the Isle of Mann doesn't have speed limits (apart from in towns), so you can gun it on the straightier bits. The new circuit is somewhat short, but still...

I don't think that track has ever been in a game, but the considering you'd have to model the entire island that's understandable. Well if Eric ever gets bored...

Actually, GPL has quite an impressive reconstruction of that track. "only" 15.4 miles though. guide with screenshots (http://www.jrpearson.homestead.com/IOMCourseGuideP1.html)

[Bob Smith]

Actually, GPL has quite an impressive reconstruction of that track. "only" 15.4 miles though.
Nice. But I could pee further than that.

[tristancliffe]

Nice. But I could pee further than that.

Post a video please (with black censoring bars preferrably).

[Bob Smith]

Sorry I don't know how to add black bars. :)

[JeffR]

There's a patch that can be made to GPL to allow long tracks. Jim Pearson is now working on a full length Isle of Mann track, but hasn't predicted when it will be done.

[Eldanor]

I would pay without thinking for the Ring :trampolin, I was near to spend 150€ in a PS2+GT4 only for riding on it. I don't mind if I have to wait until S3, but having the Ring in LFS would be a dream :)

To the configurations you said, I would add the less known Südschelife, now that it's in danger of being mutilated forever, it would be great to have it also :) it would live forever in LFS.

the clip's here:
http://forum.needforbetterspeed.net/index.php?showtopic=14593

LOL, that's the best 70MB I've recently downloaded, great video.

[Warper]

Well, first of all, I never said that you couldn't use "ss" for a "ß". Secondly, the "ss" is not the right substitute. It just was used that much that people said it was right too. But in the Austrian burocracy for example, if you are not able to type "ß", you have to use "sz", which would be the ture substitute.
This is because words with "ss" and "ß" are differently pronounced. The former with a short vowel, the latter with a long vowel.

And I successfully defended my title as Defeater of Tristan.


Sorry - but thats not true at all... Because "daß" for example is pronounced exactly the same, like "das" and "dass" :) But "ss" at the end of a word wasn't allowed until the "rechtschreibreform" came ;)

And that "ß" can now be written as "ss" is even less true. In a normal word, with "ß" in the middle for example like "Fußball": you still must write "ß" as long as you write in small letters - if you use caps, u have to write "SS" because there is no big "ß". Ok, enough now. And PLEASE do not think my many "SS" do have something to do with german history or even my political opinion :P

So - i have beaten u all! :D

On-Topic: Of course it would be really cool to have a long track like the northloop (lol) - but there won't be any track which is _like_ the one and only ring! You never could make a track even like the ring, because the ring is the ring. I think i don't have to go into detail, because u all know why!

Greets from germany,
Warper

[Eldanor]

...but there won't be any track which is _like_ the one and only ring! You never could make a track even like the ring, because the ring is the ring. I think i don't have to go into detail, because u all know why!

I think there is no doubt about that, by saying LFS is a Simulator, we are all accepting that is a discreet representation of reality, but I can live with a discreet representation of Nurburgring for LFS :). No one would throw himself to the Ring for an eight minutes lap with only the knowledge taken from a Sim, even if it's LFS.

[Warper]

You are completely right - but what i ment was more that there won't be any track made (because of no license for ex) _like_ the ring. 1 Possibilitiy is, that there will be the ring for LFS - the other is, there will be a long track with a high amount of turns - but nothing like the ring ;)

Greetz,
Warper

[bLaCk VaMpIrE]

maybe you could build a track. a long track. a difficult track. a track with many turns....
but... you can not create a track with a legend and such a amount of history as the ring.

[tristancliffe]

I still hope that one day (when LFS is opened to 'modding') that someone can convert the GT4 Nurburgring (or whatever the best version is at the time) to LFS's type. With any luck (bear in mind I know less than nothing about track creation on computers) the scenery layout can be copied over too, so that it's not just the track, some barriers and the occasional floating trees (like many converstions I've seen over the years).

[bLaCk VaMpIrE]

there exists already a version of the nordschleife for racer, but its not that good.

[tristancliffe]

I know I played it. In the F3000 car. It was the only bit of racer than was any fun for me (probably not the latest version, but first impressions count :P)

[Honey]

here are few ideas of mine about this topic:

- control over moddig could be achived by giving some sort of hash keys from devs to 3d-party track designer, so that devs could allow only quality track mods to be installed on lfs servers and clients...this also may partially solve the problem of track licences, so just to say the maker of nurburgring version for racer could convert it to lfs...then if eric would support him with some suggestion, the result may be good

- i'm not particularly interested into real tracks but rather into more long tracks and more variety -> eric showed us he is an artist and lfs track are really intriguing and enjoyable -> i will be more happy to spend some money for an expansion track pack, if all money go to devs instead into expensive licenses

- many people want (like me) long tracks like nurburgring, but it's sad to see that servers with aston-gp or kyoto-gp or fernbay-black are very few and are almost always empty :(

[JeffR]

Derek Bell at Nurburg - the clip's here:

dbnrd.mwv (http://jeffareid.net/cgi-bin/dbnrd.wmv)

I posted that one, it's very low quality, but at least it's smaller than a similar quality .MOV file that's almost 100MB in size. I've been trying to find a better quality version.

[johnmcaulay]

Yup the problem of real tracks in lfs is a big one. The thing is that if lfs includes models of real tracks like for example the nordschleif there will be comparisons between it's modeling of it and that of say GT4, which will get lfs nowhere, because Gran Turismo 4 had a fortune spent not only on rights to use the tracks, but also on modeling them with a prescision that's simply not possible for lfs to match. And also with such a track as the nordschleif there is going to be somebody who will moan endlessly about it if there is one corner slightly wrong, or a bump isn't done right, so it's really not worth it.

I think it is much better for the time being to have tracks that although fictional give lfs the chance for completely ideal track layouts with the best corners and the best changes in elevation.

In a posting on another thread I mentioned about a track based on a fictional road track using scottish highland A roads. I would say having read this thread that it would be better still to have the track as an idealised version of a road / race track. By doing that you'd have all you could want in that type of track, the different corners the changes in elevation, and the kind of track that would have been possible for an event 50 or 60 years ago, but todays safety concerns would never allow. But most importantly you'd have no comparisons being made with real tracks or roads.

In short I think it's much better that the developers play to the advantages lfs has in comparison to other racing "sims"

rant over.

[Jakg]

Fern Bay Black, Aston Historic/GP and Kyoto GP are long. Not 13 miles long, but still, they take time to master. especially with every car ;)

But yes, I'd like to see a very long track too on lfs )whats the longest track in the game then?

[Blackout]

whats the longest track in the game then?

Aston Grand Prix, 8,8 km or if you prefer miles thats 5,5 miles

[Jakg]

Aston Grand Prix, 8,8 km or if you prefer miles thats 5,5 milesmight give that a try... i like the idea of a Kyoto super-long, although you could have a medium version and cut out the bit in the tri-oval and just run abround the outside

[deggis]

My suggestion for a shorter version of Kyoto GP (it's too long so no one wants to drive it on public servers): http://torttu.net/temp/lfs/kyoto_club.jpg

I've posted this here several times so it might be "old". :)

[bbman]

There was a suggestion once to combine Kyoto GP Long with Kyoto National... I would love to have that track... :nod:

[deggis]

There was a suggestion once to combine Kyoto GP Long with Kyoto National... I would love to have that track... :nod:
It's suggested in this thread too. :)

[bbman]

Really? I didn't read the whole thread... :shy: It just came to my mind again when you talked about Kyoto... :)

[NotAnIllusion]

I'm not really in favour of an extra long track. Kyoto GP Long is boring even with the big GTRs after a while. I wouldln't object though if one was made with plenty more of challenging corners such as a couple on Aston Historic.