what about apple MAC !!

[huggybear86]

Hi everyone !!

can i play this nice game in apple MAC :scratchch ??

[Jakg]

...if it's a new Intel one, yes you can...

If you install windows on it!

[hrtburnout]

No, you can't. This game is only for Microsoft Windows/Vista. Porting the game will take too much time, there are only 3 gods :).

edit: Only if you have bootcamp :)

[Jakg]

Since when was Vista not under the name of Windows? :confused:

[hrtburnout]

I wasn't certain if it was named Microsoft Vista or Microsoft Windows Vista ;)

[blackfang]

I wasn't certain if it was named Microsoft Vista or Microsoft Windows Vista ;)

I've always thought is was called MS Vista:really:

[spookthehamster]

It's Windows Vista.

No, you can't run LFS under OS X. If you have an Intel Mac, install Windows XP using Boot Camp, and you're good to go. I run LFS on a new iMac, it's smooth as silk.

Why does this topic keep coming back? Can the mods please lock this thread, before it turns into another pro/anti-Mac flamewar?

Also, were you born in 1986? I'd expect much better English from someone aged 20.

[Bob Smith]

Does anyone know if LFS actually runs on Vista?
Or more to the point, does anyone care?

spook - no need to lock the thread yet, if we locked threads because we thought there was the slightest chance of something bad being posted, we'd simply shut the whole forum down. :) Also I don't think anyone is sad enough to do a IBM-compatible PC vs Apple PC (to use there proper names) flamewar.

[NotAnIllusion]

Ooh, the temptation of doing that, now that you mention it is _incredibly_ difficult to fight :D

Without first-hand experience, Bootcamp does seem to be the best (only?) option. Vista? Yes, there are people who care if it runs on Vista. I'm not one of them yet. I will be when Vista becomes a necessity to run modern PC apps.

[KiDCoDEa]

Does anyone know if LFS actually runs on Vista?
Or more to the point, does anyone care?


yes, works fine since very early builds years ago (called longhorn for years), upto latest vista rc1 (tested)

[glyphon]

yes, works fine since very early builds years ago (called longhorn for years), upto latest vista rc1 (tested)


except for that annoying sound lag issue...unless that's been corrected recently, i stopped following that thread.

[NotAnIllusion]

AFAIK it was just a case of increasing the Sound lag value in Misc.

[Becky Rose]

Without first-hand experience, Bootcamp does seem to be the best (only?) option.
I have first hand experience of running LFS on an Intel iMac, and it runs well. With default settings it does 90fps on the 17" model. It doesn't look that hot until you change the graphic options of course, but it still flies even after that and plays replays back at 32x speed no problem.

In comparison to my slightly more expensive PC they both run capped framerate, the PC looks slightly better, but the Mac plays the replay back at full speed whereas my PC cant cope with that.

The Intel iMac is actually a damn good machine, whether you like Apple or not, in the price range it's pitched at it compared favourably with PC's. The Mac Mini however is a pile of prehistoric antelope doo doo, because it's shared graphics and system memory severely inhibit performance in games and compatability with some Windows based applications (such as 3ds Max). This problem also exists on the Mac Book laptops, although the Mac Book Pro is fine (just a little expensive).

I got to use a Mac Pro the other day for the first time, but I wont be allowed to put LFS on it so I can't give feedback on that. Certainly under OS X the thing is damned fast, and on specs there's no reason to suggest it'll do anything other than fly - but in LFS terms the Intel iMac is more than enough for the job.

[ORION]

Does anyone know if LFS actually runs on Vista?
Or more to the point, does anyone care?

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=9928

[GP4Flo]

I'm running LFS on my Mac Book Pro and it runs like a charm. :)

[spankmeyer]

For 2500 € it should cure cancer too. :)

EDIT: There's a budget MacBookiApplePro too, my bad.

2ND EDIT: Hey can you shed light on the subject, do the Logi drivers work on Bootcamp XP too?

[spookthehamster]

I run LFS on an iMac, under Vista, with a Logitech wheel. Everything works fine, apart from the university firewall means I can't get online to unlock LFS.

Becky isn't lying when she says the iMac is a great machine, I was amazed when I put LFS on here. My old PC would hover around 20fps with low graphics, I can max everything on this and still not go under 45fps with a full AI field.

@Bob Smith,
Normally the "why can't we have Mac LFS?!?!?!?!?!!?1/1/1" threads do turn into flamewars, with the only seemingly level-headed people being Becky and myself.

[Becky Rose]

@Bob Smith,
Normally the "why can't we have Mac LFS?!?!?!?!?!!?1/1/1" threads do turn into flamewars, with the only seemingly level-headed people being Becky and myself.
That's because i'm neither a macophile or a Windows lover. I hate both platforms equally and without prejudice :).

[spookthehamster]

That's because i'm neither a macophile or a Windows lover. I hate both platforms equally and without prejudice :).

Don't forget to hate Linux! Damn it's freedom and customisation!

[GP4Flo]

For 2500 € it should cure cancer too. :)

EDIT: There's a budget MacBookiApplePro too, my bad.

2ND EDIT: Hey can you shed light on the subject, do the Logi drivers work on Bootcamp XP too?
It cost me around 1600 € thanks to student discount. :)

With bootcamp the mac is basically a PC like any other. So you can use any available usb hardware with the usual xp drivers. So yes, the DFP works and the G25 will work as well. I'm also using the Logitech USB headset for Teamspeak.

[duke_toaster]

Don't forget to hate Linux! Damn it's freedom and customisation!

Open source operating systems and open source browsers can mean easier public knowlege of security holes.

I personally would avoid open source OSs and browsers.

[Jakg]

...they get fixed quicker, although ignoring an Open Source app that could be dangerous because its workings are known seems slightly silly, as it is just as easy to patch these holes, whereas other companies just "paper over the cracks"

[the_angry_angel]

I personally would avoid open source OSs and browsers.Don't make me get my hobby horse out. Please.

Just because someone can see the code makes it vulnerable? Yes, its easier to spot problems, but because of peer review serious bugs aren't as easily propagated into the code (just take a look at how much work goes into submitting a patch to Apache HTTPD, even if you're a committer). Security through obsecurity is no security in my book; which is a shame as Cisco, Microsoft, Diebold (http://news.com.com/2061-11203_3-5995798.html) (hows that for recent controversy) etc. all use this as their primary defence; and it fails. Lets not mention patch times?

Ideally you really need to think of open source as a development model, rather than a security model. If we didnt have open standards, and open software, I wouldnt be talking to you via the forum right now. With the exception of the "universal" word and xls formats, most significant formats are "open".

And yes, I do work with proprietory software through out my working day, and yes I recognise that it keeps me in my job. But equally I know a lot of people that are employed to work on F/LOSS in various countries. Including one of the largest capitalist countries in the world.

Like it or not, it's good for you and here to stay.

[ZORER]

Sorry i'll make 'em angry but why do people use mac i can't understand...it's expensive, it's got one button mouse,it's got the worst keyboards on the universe, it's not faster, it's not easier, it's not ... not...

if apple'd make a wheel for gaming, i bet it'd have only one button as well...hahah would you use it for upshift or downshift?

[Becky Rose]

Apple Mac's are not really expensive when you compare the Intel machines to PC's at the same price point they perform extremely well, my £1100 iMac outperforms my £1400 PC at some tasks, although granted games dont look quite as good (nothing beats SLi :)) and some things the PC is faster at.

The whole Mac's are expensive and they only have one mouse button thing is a bit of an old argument to be honest, and it isn't that valid anymore. Sure you can get a cheaper PC than an entry level Mac, but who wants integrated AGP graphics and a celeron processor? What you dont get with Mac's is a product at every pricepoint - whereas with PC's the industry has so much depth you can practically pick a price and find the model to suit.

Oh and my Mac has 3 mouse buttons and a scroll wheel...

Edit: You have me on the keyboard though...

[z3r0c00l]

Apple Mac vs. PC.... hell you can throw in the NHS's light based processing servers, linux boxes and your dad's zx spectrum....

Each one is suited to certain things, you can construct a million arguements in which Macintosh will "pwnz0r" a windows box, because they're good at video editing, or this, or that, but then ask it to run a web app server.... maybe not so good?

Which one is best depends on what you are doing with it, a Mac Mini for example makes a wonderful paperweight :smileypul

and speaking of keyboards, I can hear a Dell keyboard several rooms away, surely that's as bad as the white and perspex monstrosities that ship with a deskmac these days.... I'll stick with my illuminated, weighted key Eclipse Gamers Keyboard, and the nice quiet operation and night time usage it affords me. Although I used some night time earnings to save for the thing!!

[spookthehamster]

I quite like my Apple keyboard, it's not too "mushy". It's a dirt magnet, though.

I don't want to scare you, but the mouse that comes with Mac desktops has 4 buttons and a scroll BALL. As for the laptops, hold two fingers on the touchpad and voila, a double click.

The main thing Apple overprice is their monitors. 20" for £439 (with HE discount)? I think not!

[Becky Rose]

I think the "depends what you are doing with it" argument was first used by a diplomatically savvy forum debator, tbh, I dont think that is true either.

The whole which machine is faster debate has always, historically and currently, been down to which machine you invest the most money into. There's a Cray X1 for your corporations with 8,192 dual core processors that'll dribble over the Mac Pro's 4 core system.

Which platform is better depends on which platform you preffer to use and which platform has the software you want to use to solve a given purpose.

It's about consumer prefference, performance is about consumer wealth and it doesn't really matter what badge is on the front. The *was* a time when all you could get for a Mac was a lousy CPU and 16 bit architecture and so on, but these days it's 6 of one and half a dozen of the other.

[z3r0c00l]

Consumer preference:

My friend bought a Macbook because he likes the way the windows animate for minimize and all the other GUI charms a modern mac comes with... but then again, "the right tool for the job" makes very little difference, when everything can run a word processor, some sort of internet relay chat client, play music, and find ladyboys on the internet.

I just hope the NHS prototype system I've been tinkering with at Keybridge House really does turn out to be the right tool for the job, because I don't think any consumer would prefer to use it! I guess that's the nature of systems built from the ground up for one purpose, "by geeks, for geeks". I can see uproar when it comes to training people up for it. I like it, but then again, while amateur race driver in appearance, my house has more electronics in it than a chinese land fill, although one of my computer is about to get a reboot, seeing as I stuffed some code, and it's now sitting there cooking itself trying to find the square root of (-1).

sigh.



edit:

yeah you're right, six of one and half a dozen of the other sums it up, but I'm bored, and my code isn't playing ball!