GTR cars interior..

[Supra1993]

In real life race cars are wieght reduced on the inside meaning theres only the driver's seat, no back seats/and passenger, on the dash board theres no radio and other junk, so I suggest someone redraws all the GTR cars' interior so they dont have back seats, radio texture on the dashboard and other unneeded items.

[tristancliffe]

You can't just redraw thm, cos the 3D models will still be there. But I expect we'll see them changed for S2 Full. Besides, if you look out of the windscreen, it matters not what the interior is like :P:P

[Don]

In real life race cars are wieght reduced on the inside meaning theres only the driver's seat, no back seats/and passenger, on the dash board theres no radio and other junk, so I suggest someone redraws all the GTR cars' interior so they dont have back seats, radio texture on the dashboard and other unneeded items.
why do you even care about it as you are demo racer???

and i guess the "ALPHA" in the logo is too small...

[XCNuse]

i guess the "ALPHA" in the logo is too small...
..seriously.. the devs need to put ALPHA in big red letters on top of S2 is released on the website..

[Hankstar]

... followed by a defintion of "ALPHA", perhaps ...

[DodgeRacer]

... followed by a defintion of "ALPHA", perhaps ...
and forced to sign an agreement you completly understand the above....but now we're just livin in fantacy land :P

[BWX232]

Can't blame the guy for mentioning it really..

[Gunn]

Can't blame the guy for mentioning it really..I agree. It was mentioned a few days ago anyway. ;)

[DodgeRacer]

It is indeed not the mention of the problem that I fear, but yet the fear that these new people to lfs will think that this is the game...this is as good as its going to get and get up and leave, there has been a lot of confusion with that, and i can understand how it would be if you havnt been with lfs since demo dayz...

[MyBoss]

There is a lot of things missing imo, the interior in the GTR cars shouldn be replaced.
The turbo sound is the same on all the turbo cars and the GTR cars with turbo.

The rims between the TBO class cars and the GTR ones are practically the same, imo they should be a little different.

This is of course not anything serious, but I really want this fixed until the finished version is out. Specially the interior ;-)

[xapexcivicx]

And just for future instances, some people might make accounts JUST for this forum, perhaps one that resembles their in game LFS nick. But of course, they aren't going to buy S2 all over again, but for all we know they could have it.


I'm not saying this guy is a cracker, or that he's a liscened racer, I'm just putting my opinion out.

[tristancliffe]

Woah there apex, it's March now, and this thread last saw the light of day in September. Let sleeping dogs lie and all...

[boosterfire]

Well if i'd be a demo racer that look at a GTR interior for the first time (on screenshots), i'd be like: "Holyshit, this is really ugly". Then, if I had some time to waste, i'd go here and post about it.

Still... it's true that wood in the FZR is kinda a joke...

[Hankstar]

Actually, it's probably just wood veneer - all the class and style of walnut panelling at a tenth of the weight :D

[MAGGOT]

Well... the Maserati MC12 race car still has the velvet on the dashboard :) lol

[BWX232]

A lot of times in many series they leave the stock dash in the cars for the TV coverage.. (in car TV cam) so people associate the car with the stock car they can buy at the dealership. If that's what the sponsor wants, that's what you do.

[Kchrpm]

Alpha or not, as soon as you make people pay to use it, I think they can make just about any sane suggestion they want. It's a budget title for most of the world, but in the US it comes to around the same price as any other major release, so I personally expect the same level of quality, regardless of the title.

Not that I don't appreciate the game, I do, and I do think it's worth the money, but the "it's just an Alpha" excuse needs to be put out to pasture.

[Hankstar]

That's the thing though - it's not an excuse, it's just a simple fact. Noone's trying to make excuses about S2 as it is now, just explaining why some things don't seem complete yet.

We all bought LFS S2 from the same place and knew it was an Alpha when we bought it. It's not like we'll be paying extra when the patches come out, it just means we have to be patient and wait for them. I'm sure they'll be worth it, and once they come out everyone will (probably) forget about how long they waited.

Try waiting around for GPL Mods! Now that tests your patience ...

[BWX232]

It's not like we'll be paying extra when the patches come out, it just means we have to be patient and wait for them. I'm sure they'll be worth it, and once they come out everyone will (probably) forget about how long they waited.
...

It's pretty insane how long it takes between patches though.. I guess I am spoiled by the rF devs who seem to put out major content and fix patches what seems like every other week. LFS has so much damn potential.. but it seems like I will be 50 years old before I see a finished product. :shrug:

[Hankstar]

Hehe, maybe you are spoiled :) And as for rF ... maybe their product simply needs more fixing than LFS :shrug:

LFS has some issues, and they're pretty well known. Yet we all keep racing and hotlapping, knowing all the time that our laptimes will all be void once the next physics update comes out. We don't care because, despite its minor flaws, LFS is just great fun and provides great quality racing online. I think most simmers would gladly see their PBs snuffed out if it meant a better driving experience.

Plus we're aware that there's only 3 guys working on it and one (the physics guy) just had a son. We know he'll be pretty obsessive about getting everything sorted and it should be worth the wait. Better to wait a few months for one good, big patch than have to download a new small one every week, imho. Helps keep everyone current too. As for car interiors, tbh I don't notice them that much, so they're not high on my wish-list.

[BWX232]

And as for rF ... maybe their product simply needs more fixing than LFS

I have heard all the excuses. Now you get offensive about rF.. :scratchch
They need to hurry up.. when is the next update with any new content? 2009?

[tristancliffe]

There have been 2 rFactor updates. Woopee doo. And none of them attached the cars the the road or got rid of the cartoony graphics (though at least their not cel-shaded). LFS will get a big patch in a month or two (ish).

[BWX232]

Here come the fan boys.. :pillepall

Who cares about rF? When is LFS going to be done? 2032?

[tristancliffe]

Restating the same 'it's ages betwen patches' isn't a very good argument. And neither is random '2032' quips. Also, this is the LFS forum, and baiting with rFactor nonsense is obviously going to attract 'fan boys.'

I stress I REALLY DID try to like rFactor. But I can't - it's shite. It's had two patches, neither of which have added very much, and have just been bug fixes. There won't be many big patches, because at some point they will bring out rFactor2 for another £25 or whatever. It still has crap default content, a crap physics engine, poor graphics, and poor 'mods' mostly. Nothing worth buying if you ask me. And I bought it. Bugger.

As for being a fan boy - I am genuninely excited by nKP. Without a shadow of a doubt it'll be better than rFactor in every way, and it'll show LFS the way in many areas I suspect. Maybe one day an ISI game will become a sim, but it's not going to be in my lifetime I fear...

[Hankstar]

Wow, LFS fans on the official LFS forum...who'd've thunk it? :tilt:

BWX, I didn't think I was being offensive about rF, and I did say "maybe" as I don't actually know that much about the rF patch situation (I own it, but I don't follow the rF news as it doesn't interest me that much tbh) ... you seem a bit sensitive/defensive about rF ... now who's the fanboy? ;)

I was just trying to explain the LFS situation as I understand it, not have a go at rF or get defensive of LFS. What's the point of having a go? They're both good games, I just prefer one to the other and only have time to play two anyway (GPL's the other):shrug: And I already said noone's making excuses for LFS - the situation is what it is. People around here hear the "hurry up it's taking too long" whinge all the time and it does get a bit much sometimes. Demanding that the devs "hurry up" won't help anything. It also assumes that they're on some kind of schedule and that they've set down a definite release date for the next patch. They haven't, so I'll just have to wait for it like everyone else. Until then, I have more than one racing sim on my HD (ntm a life outside my PC), so there's plenty to keep me occupied.

[OT]Anyway, nKPro oughta be worth waiting for - and tbh I've had more fun with the nK namie than I have with the rF full version. Call me an "in-advance" nkPro fanboy :)

[Tweaker]

Here come the fan boys.. :pillepall

Who cares about rF? When is LFS going to be done? 2032?

Funny... I can recall you being quite excited about LFS, and becoming pretty involved around here. Now you must totally exclude yourself from our little community and make us feel inferior... how nice. You are a bit too brainwashed with RSC terminology... where fanboys are the crud on the bottom of your shoe, and you can just 'flick' them away.... This is the LFS forum, where LFS fans reside... if you feel you are on a completely different planet, wow, buy me a ticket!!!

Seems you've moved onto a different game every month. Might as well wait till '2032' when you have arthritis so you can come back and play some hardcore LFS ;)

[BWX232]

Yeah I did like LFS- because it has potential.

I just couldn't wait for the next patch to fix the messed up physics that never came. Everyone knows what I mean when I say messed up physics, some accept it, some move on. :shrug: -and then wait in vain for the next patch to fix the weird physics bugs that some people can so easily overlook.

[Hankstar]

LFS still has potential because it's not finished yet. Despite it's alpha status LFS has one of the busiest communities of any game I know, and most of them get that sometimes you have to be patient. They also know that LFS provides great racing, despite the things that need to be fixed. There's been no release date set for the next patch so why get uptight about it? Go and play something else and we'll see you back here when the patch is released :nod: Go enjoy your reality! :)

[tristancliffe]

At least LFS has physics to have bugs in, rather than bugs without underlying physics, a la rF :p

[Hankstar]

That's the way TC, inflame the sectarian tensions :D

[BWX232]

At least LFS has physics to have bugs in, rather than bugs without underlying physics, a la rF :p

See that's the difference, I am not a die hard fan boy of any particular sim like you are.

I don't needlessly trash a sim because I like another one better. I know from your statements you hardly tried rF, so you have nothing to base your statements on. I on the other hand played LFS S2 extensively, I know it's strong points and it's weaknesses. The rear end of all the FR cars feeling like it is on wet asphalt where the front tires feel like they are on sticky tarmac is a huge problem that has never been addressed. When it does, maybe LFS will be worth playing again. Oh BTW, LFS does not have a monopoly on good net code.. or online play, rF's is far more advanced actually..

A balanced physics model is something it needs desperately- you talk like it is some kind of perfect sim, and it is far from it. This all came about because I mentioned how long it takes between patches and updates for LFS.. that's LFS's main problem, lack of development, lack of content, lack of updates. Arrogant LFS fanboys, that's another problem, and you are one of the worst- ignorant and arrogant, what a combo... no one wants to admit the problems, if anyone does they get attacked- that's one reason why some things about LFS will never be fixed. :thumbsdow Ok then, carry on with your delusions of grandeur mr. fanboy. :pillepall

[Hankstar]

I don't think anyone here was denying LFS's problems (low-speed lack of grip, aero bug, squiffy rear ends, collision detection - especially in the UF1 - to name but a few), in fact LFS fans are often the first to highlight them because they want them addressed so the game gets better. Just because we keep playing the game doesn't mean we don't know they're there. And just because we don't bitch out the devs ad nauseam for taking their time doesn't mean we're not eagerly awaiting the next patch.

And what "lack of development/content/updates"? Updates are coming, development is underway (although not as fast as other games as, again I remind you, there are 3 guys making this thing, 1 of them working on physics), and the content is focused on multiplayer racing on purpose, so of course, compared to some single-player arcade-style points-harvesting upgrade-earning exercise, it may seem a little thin. Those things seem more to be your problem with LFS rather than LFS's main problem. My problem with LFS (which probably won't ever be fixed) is that it seems to attract loads of people who seem to think they know better than the guys making the game, and act like they've discovered stuff about the game that people who've been playing since S1 haven't. You sure aren't the first to complain about the slow pace of development or notice the flaws, and I'm sure you won't be the last (and what a damn shame that is).

We all know what needs to be fixed in this game! There are x-million threads about the problems. We also know arguing won't do anything to speed up the patch. So we get on with our lives :shrug:

[BWX232]

I don't think anyone here was denying LFS's problems (low-speed lack of grip, aero bug, squiffy rear ends, collision detection - especially in the UF1 - to name but a few), :

The thing is, I think that a lot of people don't agree with you that there are any problems..

Actually the low speed grip and strange rear end physics is the only thing that really bug me. It is pretty frustrating though to have a game that is that good in many ways and has these few major bugs that for me, totally ruin it.. On top of that, after waiting for years, they never get fixed- or even get talked about being fixed. Guess we'll wait for another 2 years.. or forever.

[BWX232]

I will be the first to applaud any improvements in the physics department. I had not heard this announcement, even though I do try to keep updated on the development of LFS form time to time. After months and months and months of no news, I do tend to lose interest though. That is good to hear though and gives me some new hope.

[Hankstar]

Damn Scawen and his impeccable logic! Once someone's announced a surprise, anything that happens after that announcement can legitimately be claimed as surprising as long as someone else didn't expect it. Or didn't not expect it.

BWX, good to hear you haven't given up (I assumed you'd heard about the upcoming patch before, btw..) :thumbsup:

[tristancliffe]

No, I really did try to like rFactor. I've played it for countless hours, and I've tried every 'fix', tweak and set up that I can. I've tried lots of the tracks, and several (but by no means all) car mods. I just can't get any of them to feel like a car. The force feedback appears to be almost random (though improved with the last tweak I found, yet still not 'connected'), the cars do wierd things I can't predict.

In LFS when I crash/spin I know why. It might be because of the dodgy grip (which we ALL know about), or it might be because I miscalculated the weight transfer whilst turning in AND downshift, or whatever. In rFactor it just seems to spin or slide with no apparent cause. Thats frustrating. If I don't know whats caused the problem I can't improve. If I could find some tweak or fix that would let me enjoy rFactor more then I'm all ears, but I've tried everything I can find, and I've pretty much given up with it...

[BWX232]

(I assumed you'd heard about the upcoming patch before, btw..) :

I haven't been following it really. I am just waiting for it to actually be here.

Q:
And lastly can you reveal something about the next update that hasn't been mentioned before? A screenshot or some information?

A:
Victor : Make sure you're set to receive our newsletter or keep your eyes aimed at www.liveforspeed.net in April. Apart from the aerodynamic and tyre improvements, there might be an interesting surprise. :)
http://www.liveforspeed.dk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=15&Itemid=11
Looks like it might be good.