[RANT] Take the blame once in a while!

[PCCD]

I take it anyone who plays racing games knows a thing or two about racing so take this situation:

The track is Blackwood GP. I'm about to enter the first chicane when I see a message from the person behind me telling me about a blue flag and to let him through. I see no blue flag warning on screen, but decide to let him through on the straight. He obviously thought I was being an idiot, as I saw the same message several times before pulling over on the straight and letting him through.

I ask you: in that chicane where am I supposed to pull over to? It seems reasonable that someone can wait until the straight to get past, right? This person however thought best to call me a F'ing idiot in the post race pile up for that particular misdimeaner.

Secondly, same track. Second to last corner, I brake to about 100KM/H which is a pretty decent speed for that corner, I get rammed in the back by someone who thought 165Km/H was a good speed for that corner. Clearly though the crash was my fault, because next thing I know F'ing idiot is displayed in the top left of my screen again. Along with a ban vote which the sum total of noone voted for.

Last but not least, same track again. I got rammed on the back right tyre which made me lose control of the car and go into a third person and do a fair bit of damage to both cars. Yet according to the person I smashed into through no fault of my own! this was my fault. And to rub salt into the wounds there was a vote with the person who crashed into me saying that if people pressed 1 there would be a non crashing race (Fat chance). At which point everyone voted 1 and that was the end of me.

See I look at it this way, these are people who are apparent pillars of LFS car driving and yet they can take the blame for crashes caused by them. Common responses to challenges about their behavior is the afore mentioned idiot insult or "And your lap time is?".

This isn't right and at the end of the day could end up driving (no pun intended) players away because of eliteism amongst a select group of other players.

Sorry for the long post but I wanted to say something.

[Blackout]

I suppose this happened in the demo?

[Tweaker]

Ehhh, you are a demo racer, and I feel your pain and frustration. Licensed racing is hardly ever like this, so buy a license!! :)

There are of course mishaps where a lapped car needing to pull over cannot do it because of the turn/situation they are in, and stuff like this happens. But so what? Don't take it personal, let them be the one frustrated, and just ignore them.

[Vendetta]

lol, thats because your playing demo..which is also why you kept having to say same track over and over :P

[K.David]

While I agree on the fact that this is bad publicity for LFS, I'm sure you know everyone's answer to your problem. Also, I have heard there are good demo servers, best to write them down on a piece of paper and stick with those instead of joining any random server with 6+ people inside.
Anonymity unleashes horrible minds :x

[bal00]

It's not elitism, it's just plain asshattery and cluelessness.

Since I happen to enjoy the BLGP/XFG combo, I race on demo servers once in while, and I have yet to see the type of behaviour you describe from any of the really fast guys.
Basically there are two groups of players who will act like this: Mediocre drivers who try make up for their lack of skill with aggressiveness and wreckers who cause these situations on purpose to get other players banned.

Either find a group of good demo racers and race them or spring for a license.

[Shotglass]

sadly the demo disclaimer is there for reasons

[kurent]

And I like the BL1+XRT combo and also race on demo servers. Just now I played a couple of the best races I ever had. :)

Usually you can find good players on these two servers:

--== CLEAN TURBO RACING ==--
DFH Racing Server

These two servers usually have polite and fast players. You can be slow and race but don't try to be aggressive if you see others are faster.

[PCCD]

Problem is with the finding really good servers and sticking with them is that people change servers all the time. So one night a server may be full of cracking players. The following night it may be full of idiots.

You can't win in other words. As a rule and I think a fair few other people follow this rule as well, if someone is up for a banning and he has done nothing wrong that I've seen, I don't vote. Shame a fair few people decide that because a vote is up pressing the 1 key is the best thing they can do.

It's a rant and I realise people may think I'm complaining for the sake of it, but I'm not happy about it and wanted to make a point.

[BigDave2967]

Buy an s2 lisence then :D. Or infact, try out the S2 for a £1 League, you can win an s2 lisence for free. Loads of fair players applying for that.

[JohnPenn]

Buy S2.. is it perfect no, is it better than demo...... its night and day.

Best £24 you could spend if you have any interest in online racing simulation , In s2 you can't change your name so mud sticks so "most" drivers want to stay clean:)


John

[Albieg]

Sadly you have to get used to pervasive idiocy of a lot of demo players: the newbie who hasn't decided to benefit from spectating and thinks it's nice and fair to do EVERYTHING he wish (I couldn't tell how many times I've read the infamous sentence "Go play CounterStrike"), the pro wrecker, the selfish moron who thinks he's the track owner, the fast noob who cluelessly flags people blue, and scattered among them also a wealth of fair players, and some fast and fair ones. But not everything is bad about the demo scene, although in my opinion huge steps should and could be taken to have a better demo. And, in all truth, you can find some randomly poor servers, some occasionally excellent servers and some overall good or excellent servers too. It takes some time and you get angry really, really too often.
But anyway, as a general advice, I'd say: get used to the poor civilisation expressed by demo servers, and try to act in a sensible and intelligent way, or you'll risk a nervous breakdown. Although this advice of mine could sound harsh, I also have to say I pleasantly witnessed unexpected levels of fairness in some demo racers, so it's just a matter of knowing the right people, and nothing else. There are some races worth remembering in demo servers too, and for me those races are well worth some nuisance.

[KiDCoDEa]

I thank the demo wreckers for all their work in the demo servers for years, else the demoracers that play the demo lfs for almost 4 years nonstop wouldnt have as much direct reasons to upgrade by buying the game as they have throughout this situation.

[SparkyDave]

PCCD Hi :I have just spent about 2 hours Racing on S2 servers (mainly KY3 with FZR(160+mph))and hardly any incidents and when there was an incident there was allways a "sorry" followed by a "no probs" and we just got on with it.
S2 Rocks its only £24 and you can buy a licence and race the same day the quality of the Racers is 100% better than in demoland and we are all spoiled for choice with cars and tracks .

Get a paper round (or Haggis round :D )or somthing, and get a licence as soon as you can.
You sound like a decent racer.

SD.

[PCCD]

I was thinking about coughing up for the license after playing single player for a while. But then I got online and suddenly I met unemployed village idiots everywhere and this made me wonder if there was any point if this is how possibly a fair few people behave in the full game. From what I've read here that appears to be not the case however, shows what I know I guess...

So I may spring for one if anything for a go in one of the openwheelers...

[Yisc[NL]]

I really feel for your situation. I'm a licensed driver, but mainly race the BL1/XFG combo, since I know I could really improve myself before moving on to another car and/or combo. The biggest problem with demo-servers aren't the wreckers and/or the newbies. The biggest problem is the absence of admins on those servers. Many people start a server and that's it. I think the devs of LFS should make it impossible to run a server without an admin present. Okay, that system could be fould (as any system) but at least it should prevent many situations as the one you described.

[Electrik Kar]

I'm trying to digest some basic rules of racing atm. Here's what the AAL (Australasian Leage) says about blue flag situation at the chicanes...


Chicanes: Applies when the faster car catches the back marker during or just before a chicane. There is to be NO passing during the chicane, due to the fact that the turns are in succession and in different directions. Therefore, the back marker has the right to hold his line and the faster car must not make any attempt to pass. Passing should only be done on the exit to the chicane, where the back marker must keep to the very inside of the turn to allow the faster car to continue on the racing line.

http://www.australasianleague.com/rules.html

I'm not sure if this is a universal racing rule (are there any universal racing rules? I'm seriously asking) but hopefully it can help your case a bit.

Anyway- try to have fun :)

[JamesF1]

As has been said before, fork out the money and you won't regret it. Many of the large S2 servers are now also part of the Wrecker Barricade - anyone who wrecks and gets reported (by racers), is reported to the server admins of all of the servers. This results in cleaner racing, and a lot of banned wreckers :)

[troy]

your wrong there i would say 99% of the people in S2 are very fair
and nice racers but as everywhere in sport full of adrenaline you
have discussions and points of view but i never regret buyin it
its tons of fun and im still not bored from it (normally i play a game lets
say like 2months and then i trash it) probably the best 30 euro i ever invested ^^

so dont let your fun be spoiled by demo stuff remember its free
every idiot can use it but nobody (well almost) wants to risk his S2
licence for wreckin other people or behave stupid, im racin since
a bit more then a year on S2 and i never had the feeling that
its a bad atmosphere full of wreckers here its the opposite
im happy that i can have so much close and fun races :)

[kurent]

Make everyone on the demo servers read this tutorial. :)

http://www2.arnes.si/~mocko/lfstutorial

Some have a bad association with it since this is usually the last line alot of people see before they get banned. :D

[Bawbag]

I was thinking about coughing up for the license after playing single player for a while. But then I got online and suddenly I met unemployed village idiots everywhere and this made me wonder if there was any point if this is how possibly a fair few people behave in the full game. From what I've read here that appears to be not the case however, shows what I know I guess...

So I may spring for one if anything for a go in one of the openwheelers...

Unemployed idiots is Demo as they don't have money to buy LFS, but on S2 you have people like Tristan who have enough money to buy other peoples account, but me, I merely got lucky with a ebay company and made about 40 quid outta them when buying a wheel so I bought S2. :D

[PCCD]

I'm trying to digest some basic rules of racing atm. Here's what the AAL (Australasian Leage) says about blue flag situation at the chicanes...




http://www.australasianleague.com/rules.html

I'm not sure if this is a universal racing rule (are there any universal racing rules? I'm seriously asking) but hopefully it can help your case a bit.

Anyway- try to have fun :)

I really wish it was. I've ended up in situations where I've been a back marker coming into a chicane and finding that people will ram you as if it was some kind of punishment for not letting them past. As a result since you're turning at the same time you spin out and end up in a wall or in the case of BW sometimes into the barriers on the small island in the middle. And with the raised corner sections on that chicane you will end up with a rolled car and quite often getting the blame for any accidents that happen while you're not in control of the car.


Good story this. Blackwood again, going along the long straight near the start slipstreamed the guy in front of me, overtook leaving plenty of room between me and him when I pulled out and plenty of room when I pulled back in again.

Idiot voted to ban PCCD.

I challenged him on why he was voting to ban me, his response?

"You overtook me, Noob"

Bear in mind I wasn't a backmarker and this was for the lead, pretty crap eh?

Well several people agreed that this was some kind of crime against humanity and voted that I should go.

:really:

You just can't win sometimes!

Some kind of moderation would be great. OK granted people with the full S2 game obviously know that this kind of idiocy doesn't go on in the full game, people with just the demo don't know that.

[Flycantbird]

Man, buy a lisence. If you enjoy single player or demo play in the cars offered, you will absolutly LOVE having the full version. The cars are better, the tracks are better, the competition is better, the sky is more blue.

Not saying you'll never run into similar situations, but 90 % of the time, you'll be at the extreme other end of the spectrum, with people who don't want to crash, don't want to crash you, and will even help you out with the slightest provocation.:thumb:

[Rtsbasic]

The demo servers really let LFS down in my opinion. You can have some really good fun on there, but its rare. Because your anonymous you have no comebacks, no licence to loose or name to tarnish. Incidents like what you describe are rare on S2 servers. You get the odd guy who thinks his got more right to the road than you, but generally its really good fun. There are a few S2 servers which tend to have an admin in peak times of the day - normally team servers, these are the best ones to go on for clean and fair racing. The standard of racing is miles above the average demo servers, even though you can have an excellent race in either.

The full licence is well worth it, I've had S2 since the day you could purchase it, and I'm still not bored of it. Yet :)

[NONo443]

And I like the BL1+XRT combo and also race on demo servers. Just now I played a couple of the best races I ever had. :)

Usually you can find good players on these two servers:

--== CLEAN TURBO RACING ==--
DFH Racing Server

These two servers usually have polite and fast players. You can be slow and race but don't try to be aggressive if you see others are faster.


I agree with what you said, those two servers are pretty good at keeping the "wreckers" and etc. out of there (but it is sad that I have the slowest average time on both of them though).

[S14 DRIFT]

Good story this. Blackwood again, going along the long straight near the start slipstreamed the guy in front of me, overtook leaving plenty of room between me and him when I pulled out and plenty of room when I pulled back in again.
Sorry to say, ut no more moany stories ... its a game not a carrear (spelling)

Some kind of moderation would be great. OK granted people with the full S2 game obviously know that this kind of idiocy doesn't go on in the full game, people with just the demo don't know that.
When you click find host button it clearly says That there may be some idiots who ruin it for others.....

[Greboth]

Said so many times before but buy s2 as soon as you can :)
I played demo for about a months in which time i had uncountable bad races but i saw on here about s2 is good clean and fair so i bought s2 and they were right. Iv had races where t1 gets messy, where someones made risky move and weve crashed etc but 99% times its followed by a "sorry my bad" Usually crashes in my experience are t1 or when racing people about the same speed as yourself and if you crash then next race can be wheel to wheel for whole race. Unless someone is being a total noob or wrecker then again in 99% of time all is forgiven with a sorry.

Also said best £24 you will spend. lfs is the longest time ive played a game (8 months so far) and still i play most nights :)

[PCCD]

Sorry to say, ut no more moany stories ... its a game not a carrear (spelling)


When you click find host button it clearly says That there may be some idiots who ruin it for others.....

Note the word "some".

Didn't say anything about the majority trying to ruin it for others...

[S14 DRIFT]

There is a clear warning ... Read it, and acknowledge.... people say "buy S2" not because your a demo racer, but the fact your complaining about playing on demo servers where most of the idiots are ....
There is a warning ---- Its not going to blow up your pc. You have been a member since Septemebr 2006 - Oh Yes thats this month and its the 9th ... so thats max of 9 days ... 9 days to experience the demo stuff. I dont wish to patronise or anything, but there is a clear warning from teh Devs when you click to find demo hosts ... and your complaining about it .... And I dont think its the "majority" that ruin it for you ... Many races I have done on Dedicated Team Demo Servers may have the 1st corner pileup ... but hey , normally a restart is done and we continue on :)

[PCCD]

It was a rant.

I read the warning but didn't expect it to be anywhere near as bad as it is.

[SamH]

A rant is a rant. Sometimes you need to get your feelings out, field a response, and then figure out if where you're at is reasonable or reasoned in comparison with the position of other people. Rants are good for this.

You're looking for the same thing we're looking for - decent racing, responsible opposition, an apology when it's deserved, room to pass when you earn it, a hard fight to the line.

The difference between us is that you're looking for it on Demo servers, and we know that the only place to BE SURE to find it is on S2 servers.

One thing you said, which I think is important to mention, is that Demo drivers are apparent pillars of the community. A pillar is something that supports a structure. S2 licenced drivers support LFS. Demo drivers don't. S2 drivers invest £24 in LFS, but Demo drivers don't. Many Demo drivers become S2 in time, and there are many Demo drivers who are tremendous ambassadors for LFS, through their commitment to the game and their willingness to help others get up to speed - but they're not pillars of LFS, until they've moved from Demo to S2. Just wanted to make that point :)

[Becky Rose]

You're already a mod SamH you can't be promoted again ... :)

[SamH]

ROFL!! :thumb: :D

[PCCD]

A rant is a rant. Sometimes you need to get your feelings out, field a response, and then figure out if where you're at is reasonable or reasoned in comparison with the position of other people. Rants are good for this.

You're looking for the same thing we're looking for - decent racing, responsible opposition, an apology when it's deserved, room to pass when you earn it, a hard fight to the line.

The difference between us is that you're looking for it on Demo servers, and we know that the only place to BE SURE to find it is on S2 servers.

One thing you said, which I think is important to mention, is that Demo drivers are apparent pillars of the community. A pillar is something that supports a structure. S2 licenced drivers support LFS. Demo drivers don't. S2 drivers invest £24 in LFS, but Demo drivers don't. Many Demo drivers become S2 in time, and there are many Demo drivers who are tremendous ambassadors for LFS, through their commitment to the game and their willingness to help others get up to speed - but they're not pillars of LFS, until they've moved from Demo to S2. Just wanted to make that point :)

Yeah, the pillars of the community bit was a bit more esoteric than I'd like.

I was making reference to someone who went about wrecking every car he saw, ironic considering his name which I won't mention. Yet when challenged, most agreed that I for some reason was in the wrong for doing nothing more than what I usually. IE Hang back from the first corner and then weave my way through the carnage as best I can. Yet here comes Idiot with his LOL HES A SUXXOR HAXXOR CRASHER!!! LOL!!!

Six votes later I was gone. Pissed at the fact he took the time to personally address me before I went with the words LOL SUXXOR!!!

Arsehole...

I do realise that their are people who are pretty good at this and are much better than the demo idiots, yourselves for example. I just wasn't expecting there to be so many idiots on the demo servers. Guess I was lulled by the first two nights...

[NONo443]

Keep in mind also, the time your probably playing, these protagonist are just getting home from elementary school/middle school/high school, probably a bit riled up, and ready to hit someone for a cheap laugh. IMO and as has been mentioned before on other threads, most of the people that are "good racers" on the demo servers usually "play while the kiddies are away" (i'll let you take that however you like).

[kurent]

PCCD
So now you come to the forums to went your frustration? This is just what they want! If he is reading this he is laughing his ass off. Wreckers are simply attention whores, nothing more, nothing less. Attention is what they want, good or bad. Ignoring them is the worse you can do to them!

And no offence but you are a new player without experience. I know some new players who try to acknowledge the blue flag with the most idiotic maneuvers trying to let you pass. You can see he is trying to let you pass but his inability to steer properly in extreme situations and not knowing the tracks ideal line is making him block you.

I see you really like this game since you can get so upset because of it. So I strongly advise you to buy this game in whatever means possible. In S2 there is no list of servers that are good but there is a list of bad servers. And as far as I know the list has 1 entry hehe.

The demo is a barbaric society where you die without friends and the full S2 is an utopia with very few bad seeds. The main reason for this is that because in the full S2 players are banned by their nickname that cannot be changed while in the demo if you have a dynamic IP you can just reconnect. Also in full S2 the age of players is dramatically increased. The average player age in S2 is 26,32 (lfsworld.net data) and in the demo most people are around 14-18.

[S14 DRIFT]

Well either a) get into a relativly idiot free environment with S2 £24 Isnt a lot of money or b) Put up with it or c) .... what goes here?


and Kurent ... im 15 that is a broad sweeing comment u've just made... i never wreck and I never do stupid manevours .... and I know many others in that age group u mentioned who are fine racers ....

[Captain Slow]

.... what goes here?

locke yourself in a padded room for 365 days. with the stig.

[S14 DRIFT]

omfg he would kill ya ...
me - Hi stiggy
stig - ......
me - wanna havea race I go in the mini and you go in the skoda
stig - ....... (blinks sideways here)

[JoeCool]

im going for demo-servers from time to time, sometimes for the memories, just to have this gti-feeling back.
oh well, its true. its worse than ever. a bunch of childish idiots all over the place. some good fair racers though, but in minority.

yesterday someone came in and asked promptly: how can i ban? :pillepall

hmmmm....how about a time-limited demo?

:shrug:

[PCCD]

Dunno about a TL demo. I still haven't master the RWD and FWD cars. I'll master them first then buy.

[kurent]

S14 DRIFT:
I never said all of 15 year olds are idiots, I merely pointed out that statistically there are more idiots in that age group. :razz:

[K.David]

PCCD
[...]
The average player age in S2 is 26,32 (lfsworld.net data) and in the demo most people are around 14-18.
I'd like to know where you got the italic bit of info.
Anyway I think age has little to do with behaviour although it plays a role in general. Reading some of the posts here I wouldn't tell they were written by 12-14 yearolds, I'd guess something like 18+. And you have the other end, like kid (no offence) :tilt:

[Blackout]

I'd like to know where you got the italic bit of info.

LFSWorld like he said.

[zeugnimod]

I think, he meant the age of the demo drivers. :)

[Blackout]

Oh yeeeeeees....that's a hard one. :D

[zeugnimod]

Some people stay childish, even if they are 40+. :D

[kurent]

From talking to many many demo players.

[o000o]

PCCD, I race mostly on the demo servers and get banned regularly, sometimes even when I'm nowhere near any incident, someone just picks my name from the list and starts the banning process and the sheep start pressing 1. Or the server is full and someone bans you so their friend can join.

You just have to suffer the childish behaviour and go onto another server, or start your own so no one can ban you then.

I feel your pain though, but some good racing can be had on the demo.

[Glenn67]

PCCD I race on the demo servers often, as I like the XFG. I don't have much time I can devote to LFS so I pretty much stick to one car. Unfortunately the XFG is not popular on S2 servers(#1), so I normally have a look in S2 servers for an XFG combo but if I find none then I goto the demo.

Demo is bad overall for finding a good race and fair drivers. Having said that 80% of the experiences I have on demo are ok and 20% or more are very good. I rarely get banned, I only remember 1 or 2 times in the last year. The things I do when going onto a demo server are:

1. Get to know the good drivers and look out for them. If you recognise a good driver from before, chances are it will be an ok server as he would have left already if not :x :razz:
2. Watch all the drivers on the server for a lap or two before joining to see if the majority are at a similar level to yourself (within +/- 1 sec)
3. Preferably find a server with an active admin present. Can be hard to find at times but if you look around abit you can find them. They are often full so you may need to try several times to get into a good server.
4. If the server your in begins to turn to shit, leave and repeat the above :tilt:

I will not name servers as admins are not always present, and the times I get online will probably be different to you. At the times I get online 1 or 2 in 10 maybe admined.

#1 I have noticed that the XFG is being raced a bit more often on the S2 servers in the last few weeks so that is encouraging :)

[PCCD]

Yeah, I quite like the XFG since you're not worried about spinning the car as much, you can get on with actual race strategy and all that. Really get into the actual meat and bones of racing without worrying if the backend will go sideways if you so much as look at the brake.

Like I said before though, a good server one night may become full of idiots another night and then back to normal again. It's hard to find one consistantly good server to stick with.

[riffey4]

Like the others said: buy it!
I've been playing the demo every once in a while over a period of time. I liked it, but I was involved in some other games, so I stayed a demo driver.
Last week I got 2 RL friends interested and we started playing together online, using Ventrillo to talk to each other. We had fun for a few days on the demo servers and I was considering buying a license after my holiday (starting tomorrow :))
Then we were racing and some guy got mad at me. No idea why. My friends were driving behind me, so they could see what happened and talk to me on Ventrillo. That guy hit me from behind in the first corner because he was braking way too late. I managed to get my car back on track and wasnt too much damaged so I continued racing, loosing 5 or 6 positions. Guy pitted, and next lap he was waiting for me on the first corner. I thought it was considerate that he'd let me pass, coz I was a lap ahead. Then he rammed me at the end of the long straight, started shouting "OMFG you *ss, n00b" and initiated a ban vote. Some (a lot) of the sheep pressed 1, but I was lucky to have my 2 friends so that were 2 votes he wasnt getting. I got as close as 1 vote of being banned...

Then he started spamming by clicking my name over and over again. Others then started banning him. When he almost was banned, he quit. Good riddance.. New player connects, waiting on the end of the pit lane for me to pass... Again I got rammed at the end of the straight... New player starts spamming my name.. So it was evident it was the same guy. Ban vote, he left just before he got banned. New player connects.. same all over again. Almost banned and... quit. And again a new player..
So the 3 of us decided to go to another server. No 5 minutes later that *ss found us and started all over again.

I bought my license the next day, as did one of my friends. Not that I'm that good a racer. Maybe I wont even play it after I get back from my holiday... But I already had 2 days of nice and clean racing... It would have cost me more if I had spend those 2 nights in the pub ;) so it was money well spent.

Conspiracy theory: LFS has some people roaming the demo servers harrassing the better players so they will buy a license :x:D. You should be flattered :P

[kurent]

Is everyone on the demo servers licenced?? :D
I know of at least 5 players who race regulary on the demo players and now many others here on the forum say the same thing.

Your conspiracy theory is not far off riffey4, I have seen wreckers who claim they "work for" the DEVs trying to get the demo players buy a licence...by showing them how idiotic our community is?? :pillepall

[P5YcHoM4N]

You're already a mod SamH you can't be promoted again ... :)
Sure he can.

SamH for admin!


As for the thread.
It's best to play a game with people you know on the demo. Though I have joined a couple of demo servers and found the racing to be nothing but clean, just like I'd find on S2 servers. It all depends on the time of day you join (when the school kids are at school), and what server you join.

[VipeNess]

Ehhh, you are a demo racer, and I feel your pain and frustration. Licensed racing is hardly ever like this, so buy a license!! :)

There are of course mishaps where a lapped car needing to pull over cannot do it because of the turn/situation they are in, and stuff like this happens. But so what? Don't take it personal, let them be the one frustrated, and just ignore them.

tweak is very correct. You need to buy a licenses for the game. you will notice the change in real drivers from demo drivers. it is much more fun, because those users choose to drive right, instead of making the game non-fun. so do yourself a favor and owe it to yourself, and get a full license buddy.

[Rebeldevil]

Picking up the S2 license was money well spent for me. I suggest you do the same. The quality of drivers on licensed servers far outstrips those on the demo servers.

[matt_green84]

Hi, first post.

Been racing LFS for a couple of weeks, and i'm getting the hang of it, but want some practice around other cars, as an empty track isn't really realistic.

So, i jumped on the demo servers, to find on each one at least 3 people going the wrong way round the track aiming at people. Its really frustrating, but as i'm not particularly competent yet, i don't wanna 'clog up' or slow down the licenced servers.

Anyone had a similar experience? Any reccomendations of a noob licenced server. I will buy the licence later today i think!

[wsinda]

In my experience, racing on demo servers isn't all bad. Sure, quite a few races are ruined by wreckers or hotheads, but you can still find good racing.

You can improve your chances of a decent race:
- go online after 10 pm
- go to servers that don't allow mid-race join
- join races of more than 5 laps
- join races that include some good drivers (1:33 or 1:34 on XFG/Blackwood)

i don't wanna 'clog up' or slow down the licenced serversStart from the back, or let the pack pass right after the start. That way you won't slow down the fast guys. (Unless you're > 10 sec/lap slower, but then you should really get some more offline practice.) And you can usually find someone who got caught in the T1 carnage, so you can race against him.

[Blackout]

but as i'm not particularly competent yet, i don't wanna 'clog up' or slow down the licenced servers.

It doesn't matter if you are slow when you buy your license. Keep it clean and fair and you do just fine :)

[RiginalSin]

Hi, first post.

Been racing LFS for a couple of weeks, and i'm getting the hang of it, but want some practice around other cars, as an empty track isn't really realistic.

So, i jumped on the demo servers, to find on each one at least 3 people going the wrong way round the track aiming at people. Its really frustrating, but as i'm not particularly competent yet, i don't wanna 'clog up' or slow down the licenced servers.

Anyone had a similar experience? Any reccomendations of a noob licenced server. I will buy the licence later today i think!

Exactly what blackout said Matt..

Get ur licence... Its worth it... There are leagues about for all different levels of racing...

There a generally people willing to race anybody... Just take ur time, get to learn the tracks and cars and have fun....

The demo is a taste, but the minset of some people on those servers doesnt reflect the community as a whole.

Look forward to seeing u licensed racing around Kyoto :thumb:

[96 GTS]

I really don't understand why people feel the need to master the demo cars before moving on and buying S2. There's no test you have to pass to buy a license, and I'd personally much rather have more cars to choose from.

And to all demo racers, please, please, please, please don't worry about "clogging" up S2 servers. I have never ever seen anyone in an S2 licensed server angry about a new player driving slower around the track. The vast majority of Licensed players will be glad to help you get the hang of it. I remember when I first got S1, back a long time ago, I was having trouble with the XRG ar Fern Bay green. DSRC Nazzard and (at that time) (DMR)GenerAl spent probably 2 or 3 hours teaching me how to drive the car and the track. It was an experience I'll never forget. It's not an isolated one either, but it's the one that sticks in my mind. I try to offer as much help as I can to new players, I'm not the fastest, but I can help a bit. Please, buy a license, you'll be much much happier.

P.S. no, the devs did not pay me to write this, this is 100% honest.

[PCCD]

Hi, first post.

Been racing LFS for a couple of weeks, and i'm getting the hang of it, but want some practice around other cars, as an empty track isn't really realistic.

So, i jumped on the demo servers, to find on each one at least 3 people going the wrong way round the track aiming at people. Its really frustrating, but as i'm not particularly competent yet, i don't wanna 'clog up' or slow down the licenced servers.

Anyone had a similar experience? Any reccomendations of a noob licenced server. I will buy the licence later today i think!

They will have finished and are now indulging in the post race pileup. I indulge from time to time but refrain from going backward if there's still folk left to finish.

Driving backward during a race is a one way trip to the nosebleed seats in the stand. Although it is a little sensitive, once I span the car and ended up with my back to a barrier and had to go back up the track. So I waited for the coast to clear and drove forward.

Wrong Way - PCCD - Spectating

:x was my response

[Blackout]

Matt did the smart thing and bought the license, 24 guid well spend. Welcome to the full version :thumb:
PCCD, you should maybe do the same if you like LFS so much. It seems like you do, it seem so obvious :)

[matt_green84]

Yeah, thought i'd have a look! So, how do i get on the servers then, i can only see two!!

[NotAnIllusion]

Get the latest patch (U20) from the test patch forum/thread or the official patch U from liveforspeed.net, and make sure your search filters aren't blocking most of the results (i.e. have 'public' and 'full' as 'yes' and the empties and privates as 'no', click 'All' cars and refresh).

[SamH]

Make sure you've got a recent version of the software - either patch U, or patch U20 (test patch). Check that your Multiplayer server filters are set according to the attached images. They should be self-explanatory :)

[EDIT] Grrrr! Well, at least mine comes with pictures! :p

[Noccy]

Mat, make sure u have patch U, as all the S2 servers are running it.
Or maybe u filtered out most servers?

edit : bah, beaten twice in less then 1 minute

[NotAnIllusion]

:razz:

[matt_green84]

Mat, make sure u have patch U, as all the S2 servers are running it.
Or maybe u filtered out most servers?

edit : bah, beaten twice in less then 1 minute


haha, don't let it get you down! Ta for the help, i'm on S2 alpha at the mo, so i'm downloading the upgrade now!

[PCCD]

Matt did the smart thing and bought the license, 24 guid well spend. Welcome to the full version :thumb:
PCCD, you should maybe do the same if you like LFS so much. It seems like you do, it seem so obvious :)

Eventually I will.

Problem is obviously am I going to get anything out of it other than a ulcer after spinning out because I repositioned 5 inchs to the right after tapping the turn right key.

See I learnt my "craft" on R:Racing Evolution, this is quite realistic, tons of cars/tracks etc.

I can drive one of the fastest cars in that game (Audi Le Man R6 Works) around tracks like Phillips Island without spinning the car and without looking like a chav in his first Ford GTI.

I fire up LFS for the first time and begin learning in the Hatchback. Easy enough I think and move to the next car up. Foot to the floor, bit of tyre smoke...LOTS OF TYRE SMOKE!!!...THE ENGINE IS SMOKING!!!

Ahem...

So I killed the engine and started over. Fanned the accelerator and began driving up and down the car park to get used to it (brake stopping times, top speed etc). So after finding that rather easy I decide to try some basic laps around the car park. Putting my earlier spins down to me really throwing the car about with liberal amounts of hand brake, I set off.

I begin to turn...easy...easy...easy...THE BACKEND HAS GONE!!! catch the backend...THE BACKEND HAS GONE THE OPPOSITE WAY!!! Bonnet into fence action begins.

If you didn't understand that (I don't blame you :smileypul ) I'll summarise here:

I can drive a car capable of 200 odd MPH around a track with no problems.

I can't drive a car capable of doing less than half of that.

[rcpilot]

I'm trying to digest some basic rules of racing atm. Here's what the AAL (Australasian Leage) says about blue flag situation at the chicanes...




http://www.australasianleague.com/rules.html

I'm not sure if this is a universal racing rule (are there any universal racing rules? I'm seriously asking) but hopefully it can help your case a bit.

Anyway- try to have fun :)
That doesn't really make sense, if I'm in a race with someone and I see an opportunity to pass in a chicane, I'm going to do it, same with someone who's blue flagged to me. And if someone comes up on you and you're blue flagged before a chicane it's better for both of you if you get out of the way because you're only going to lose about half a second giving up the corner compared to both of you losing a second+ if he's close enough to make a move in the chicane. And I'm not about to lose easily a couple seconds to some people following behind them when they could've just let off the gas. I'm not saying that if someone's going to meet you at the exit of the chicane that you should let them by, but if they're right on your butt or even sometimes along side you they should be let through. Especially in situations when you see someone make up several car lengths on you in the last corner.

I'm not trying to be an ass about it, I'm only asking that other people show the same respect on the track that I do when under a blue flag situation. If I can potentially get in your way and I'm not in my own battle, I'm going to do everything I can to let you by without slowing you down.

/Edit - And please people, do NOT come out on track mid-race around other cars, whether from the pit lane or coming back on track from an accident. Especially from the pit lane, I'll stop and let a pack by at the pit lane exit even in situations that I know that I'm faster than most of them. Do you people who kamikaze out on the track not look both ways before crossing the street?

/Edit 2 - My final angst rant, if you're spun out on track at the exit of a blind corner with other cars coming and you don't have a way to drive off the track without driving across it, either stay put or shift+s back to the pits. Moving your car to a different position when the other driver has less than a second to respond to you is not a bright idea.