LFS on MOTORS TV! [Archive]

Batterypark

3rd September 2005, 01:37

Good publicity, I just would have hoped they'd mentioned a bit more about the sounds than saying they're nasty for the ears (which is only true for the engine sounds anyway, I believe). It also felt a bit silly to just sit and watch the cars from chase view while the reviewer wasn't saying anything at all :)

EDIT: Gunn, may I suggest actually reading that page? The download link IS there...

KiDCoDEa

3rd September 2005, 01:51

true, but, being quite old, i still recall when direct linking something on the net meant a direct link! :)

Tweaker

3rd September 2005, 02:09

http://dl2.rapidshare.de/files/4660515/74745112/LFS_Motors_TV.avi

Gunn

3rd September 2005, 02:11

Tweaker

3rd September 2005, 02:14

I never got any spam? Just a page telling me to wait for the download link to appear :) Well... I made it appear in my previous post :p To save you any trouble if you get ads. (But my popup blocker or adblocker didnt need to block anything, so I don't know what's goin on on your side ;))

KiDCoDEa

3rd September 2005, 02:42

it just doesnt work here, thats the small problem :)

Gunn

3rd September 2005, 02:54

Like I said, any web page that makes it so difficult to find what you want isn't worth visiting. I didn't get any pop-ups, just a poorly-designed page of hard to read text with a lot of crap around it. Then I got a 2nd page opening with exactly the same crap and the page was "done" fully loaded. The best part of that page was the little red X in the top right hand corner, that worked very well indeed.

Tweak you posted exactly the same link as in the first post. It does not link to a direct download and on my screen it does not automatically download anything. Clicking the "FREE" button just loads another useless page.

Vendetta

3rd September 2005, 03:12

Mbrio

3rd September 2005, 03:22

Have you tried a different browser? :shrug:

Some nice observations in the review. It's the first time I've heard a reviewer mention the fact the interface allows you to change settings without interrupting your game, which is one thing I've always loved about LFS.

But what was that guy on about when he said the "developers should listen to the players and satisfy them by loading the game up with useless options"? :confused:

Boris Lozac

3rd September 2005, 03:35

But what was that guy on about when he said the "developers should listen to the players and satisfy them by loading the game up with useless options"? :confused:

Yea, that confused me too.. but i think he said something like "they listen the players, and don't load the game with useless options", i think he was going to say that.. i only watched it once, can't remember now.. ;)

DratsaB

3rd September 2005, 03:37

But what was that guy on about when he said the "developers should listen to the players and satisfy them by loading the game up with useless options"? :confused:

I was just going to ask the same thing..I had to listen to it a couple of times. whats he getting at ? :)

Shame about the sound comments, not as bad as they make out, but i kind of agree. better engine sounds would really be the icing on the cake for me. Skids, wind, echo fx etc all sound great but the engines need some more "umph", and maybe some nicer crash sounds like metal buckling and glass breaking :)

Tweaker

3rd September 2005, 04:10

Tweak you posted exactly the same link as in the first post. It does not link to a direct download and on my screen it does not automatically download anything. Clicking the "FREE" button just loads another useless page.

No I didn't.

Clicking on "Free" brings you to the page where you wait in queue for the file to be downloaded. (Said I had to wait like 30 secs), then violla!!! I got the link to the file!!! How hard can it be, and why must people think such a site is just crap to get something?

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0764541730.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

Sorry, but that page must've been useless.... :rolleyes:

Completely off topic, but this pisses me off that you find this so hard to cope with.

Gunn

3rd September 2005, 04:11

And then you will have to wait a number of seconds to download it. Scroll all the way to bottom ;)Yes I know how to use the Internet. I don't really need to see another review about a sim that already completely satisfies my online racing needs. So the appropriate response is: Meh.

Gunn

3rd September 2005, 04:11

No I didn't.

Clicking on "Free" brings you to the page where you wait in queue for the file to be downloaded. (Said I had to wait like 30 secs), then violla!!! I got the link to the file!!! How hard can it be, and why must people think such a site is just crap to get something?

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0764541730.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

Sorry, but that page must've been useless.... :rolleyes:

Completely off topic, but this pisses me off that you find this so hard to cope with.
Yeah thanks Sherlock, run along now. Your childish little jab is not appreciated.

Tweaker

3rd September 2005, 04:15

I don't really need to see another review about a sim that already completely satisfies my online racing needs.
Then why all the frustration you couldn't see it? Just from a proclaimed useless page?

Boris your linked worked fine in the first place, I'm gonna watch the movie now.... :Looking_a

StanleyCarter

3rd September 2005, 04:16

that was a pretty nice review, the reviewer almost sounded like he's in lost of words at times during the video, maybe musics would help? hmmm... btw you can even hear the sounds notes/papers shuffling in his hands though :D

Gunn

3rd September 2005, 04:17

Then why all the frustration you couldn't see it?
Frustration? You are clearly deluded. The file didn't (still isn't) loading. As I already said. If you can't read what people have written, don't assume you know what is going on. You don't. Insults won't help it get any better either.

Tweaker

3rd September 2005, 04:45

Cool video, slow pace, but I think they gave it a fair enough review. Stanley is right, it could've used some music.

Yea, that confused me too.. but i think he said something like "they listen the players, and don't load the game with useless options", i think he was going to say that.. i only watched it once, can't remember now.. ;)

What they meant here was focused on the fact that the AI are useless. Before that quote they mentioned that the AI are better to not drive with at all -- for a beginner driver. True I'd say.

But still that quote does sound strange, "satisfy the players with useless options?" Eh? Maybe meaning that the game comes with an abundance of options, but some of them are useless :shrug:

Anyways... putting this whole link deal aside... I just thought that link I posted would help, but that wasn't so helpful, and the site has some really wierd file protection (While downloading the movie even, it knew I was already getting the file from the same IP, so it prevented me)... just a wierd site.

For now I've uploaded it here: http://lfs.tweak.in/uploads/LFS_Motors_TV.avi

Mattesa

3rd September 2005, 06:23

I really enjoyed the style of the review.

It may be a bit dry, but it actually lets you get an impression of the game.

I wish there was a game TV show that reviews games in this way, instead of the completely uninformative "trying to be cool and funny" stuff that we get now.

OPK

3rd September 2005, 07:08

Great stuff :)

Thx for the link!! :)

XRRoy

3rd September 2005, 07:27

nice review :thumb:

inCogNito

3rd September 2005, 08:16

wow, that's a really great advertisement for LFS :thumb:

PS: gunn, what's your problem? :pillepall

bo-kristiansen

3rd September 2005, 08:31

nice review :up:

- I had Motors TV on cable last year,
and that speaker has a really irritating voice. :hyper:

ORION

3rd September 2005, 08:45

Apparently some people here do not know this public file hosting service, and if you click the link for the first time, it DOES look like a stupid ad page...

downloading now :)

nesrulz

3rd September 2005, 09:05

For now I've uploaded it here: http://lfs.tweak.in/uploads/LFS_Motors_TV.avi

THX !!!

LawVS

3rd September 2005, 09:26

It's a good review and pretty honest in terms of flaws that we already know about (i.e. sound) :P

steve

3rd September 2005, 09:43

remember any publicity is good publicity ;)

KiDCoDEa

3rd September 2005, 10:09

But what was that guy on about when he said the "developers should listen to the players and satisfy them by loading the game up with useless options"? :confused:

AHAHAHA thats a funny one, considering its EXACTLY the oposite. The options are there to satisfy/please players and their specific needs.

ORION

3rd September 2005, 10:18

I dont know if it's sarcastic or serious.
At least I liked the review because it was not bad at all, and the driver wasnt todally dumb either :D

KiDCoDEa

3rd September 2005, 10:19

PS: gunn, what's your problem? :pillepall

his problem was/is the same as mine. that link didnt download the file (probably isp proxy related). i know i have to wait after clicking free mode. it simply didnt do jackshit, and being bombed with ads from that page while waiting for it (assuming that if i waited over an hour i would get it) is not my idea of fun.
these ad sites, i try to avoid. thanks tweak for rehosting it.
speaking of that, greets to the mod, at least for now, for doing a discrete, non-power tripping , no-big-ego job. im impressed up to now, and i hope he doesnt turn into a timw or clones anytime soon. sobriety is the quality here.
up till now, whoever chose him, did the right decision.

J.B.

3rd September 2005, 10:29

Great review! The driving wasn't even bad.

OT: I'm a little baffled that net regulars, that I assume most LFS forum posters are, can be put off by sites like rapidshare. It's a free, public, anonymous file upload service for up to 50 MB files. You don't even need to register, uploading a file needs exactly 2 browser clicks and the download speeds are fast. How can people have anything bad to say about that? :confused:

J.B.

3rd September 2005, 10:35

his problem was/is the same as mine. that link didnt download the file (probably isp proxy related). i know i have to wait after clicking free mode. it simply didnt do jackshit, and being bombed with ads from that page while waiting for it (assuming that if i waited over an hour i would get it) is not my idea of fun.
these ad sites, i try to avoid. thanks tweak for rehosting it.
speaking of that, greets to the mod, at least for now, for doing a discrete, non-power tripping , no-big-ego job. im impressed up to now, and i hope he doesnt turn into a timw or clones anytime soon. sobriety is the quality here.
up till now, whoever chose him, did the right decision.

Ah, yes, there is a download limit per hour, per IP. So if you are using an IP that is shared with lots of other users, who are using rapidshare, you will have a problem. (anonymizing proxy?)

Agree that Gunn has been doing a good job. RSC modding is a bit OTT.

dUmAsS

3rd September 2005, 10:42

typical motors tv commentating :)

a good review though

Scawen

3rd September 2005, 13:19

But what was that guy on about when he said the "developers should listen to the players and satisfy them by loading the game up with useless options"? :confused:Yeah that was so puzzling, it really creases me up and the more i think about it the more i laugh! :D

I decided this and a couple of other strange sentences were due to this being a translation from an original written in French (no idea if that's true, it's a guess). So maybe you need to take the words and jumble them around a bit and put the word "not" in a few places, to make whatever sense of of it you want to! :tilt: :)

Anyway a really great review, so many positives - nice to watch, and very reasonable negative points / improvement suggestions.

JJ72

3rd September 2005, 13:25

Need a mirror, it doesn't download on my PC as well? :/

anyone kind enough to do so?

ScooterFD

3rd September 2005, 13:54

Yeah come on Scawen - give your audience what they want. I'd like to see fully functioning cup holders in all the touring cars please! Oh - and air con.

I suspect you're right about the translation - a lot of Motors TV content is French, and the guy reading the English translation presumably has no knowledge of the subject. This is guy is much better than the one they used to have with the "Beavis&Butthead" voice though, who used to really get on my wick by pronouncing bonnet (i.e. the lid over your engine) as "bo-nay". Presumably he thought "well it's French innit?" (or should that be "innee" ? :p) I can only assume the long periods of silnce on this review are because it takes bloomin ages to say anything in French :D

I thought the review was pretty accurate on the whole, although they seemed to have grasped the wrong end of the stick about the skins. The main problem for LFS in any short TV review though is that the viewer is just not going to be able to grasp just what sets it aside from popular console or PC arcade type racing games in a 5 minute piece, although he did touch on the fact that you need to drive it like a real car.

One other confusing thing probably lost in translation - apparentley the LFS developers don't need to worry about "R-Factor" because the next LFS is called "LFS-S3". Erm. Righto then. I'm sure you're not worrying about R-Factor, but I doubt the name of the next release will affect anything...

I like Motors TV - it has a sort "Home made" feeling about it :p

KiDCoDEa

3rd September 2005, 14:16

if this review makes anything clear, is that the chase cam, as is in lfs atm, should be droped. this type of chase cam is lousy and makes ANYthing look fake and arcade. in fact if it was possible in real world to have this stupid elastic, reference less, soft-sluggish-in-the-void-floating cam, even real footage would look odd! i garantee u that.
i stress this since day 1 of the chase cam. code it properly (preferably fixed to car alignment and a bit closer) or just drop it.
the wheels view doesnt do lfs realism any favour either (making stuff disappear shouldnt be possible except in analyser F forces mode) but i can bare with that one since many ppl like it (well at least vykos)...
but man this chase cam is making lfs look like crap everywhere i see.
if my lfs looked like that ii would even touch it.
in fact if i didnt know lfs, and saw this exact same review in motorstv I WOULD RUN AWAY FROM THIS "STUPID SIM".
which obviously wouldnt be a correct decision, but thats what this ability to turn lfs into crap by pressing v, would lead me to.
i still have hope sc hears me and recodes the cam system according to previous constructive suggestions. its so obvious it hurts.
its like spending 5 years building a porsche-killer car, and then send it to "Top Gear" with bicycle tyres mounted as default instead of proper car tyres.
quite frustrating.
im also glad he spotted the brilliance of the lfs realtime pro UI (he didnt mention its vector, adaptable to any res from cellphones to 16:9 in huge res while maintaining quality of the scaling). A few cosmetic tweaks and a slight better grouping of some options here and there, and its done.

in case anyone needs to understand why a proper chase cam is important for a sim, check papy n2003 chasecam1, for example. no brainer, yet perfect for that view option.

DodgeRacer

3rd September 2005, 14:39

This is why people that dont enjoy sim racing games, shouldnt review sim racing games. *shakes head...

We should buy this person (motors tv reviewr) a copy of r factor and let em be :P

Boris Lozac

3rd September 2005, 14:48

Yea, it's always good publicity when a game gets on some TV show.. Better then nothing.. But i must say that it was all true except that confusing translated part.. ;) Aparantly you guys don't watch Motors TV that much.. this is a typical review of the game.. with that pauses when he stop speaking for a few secunds, and just let you watch the game, which is good IMO..
Anyway, Motors TV again showed that they follow the racing games industry, and did a proper review of LFS...
It would be a dream if Tiff Needel could test it in Fifth gear, or Clarkson in Top gear.. ;) Now, that is publicity!... :)

dUmAsS

3rd September 2005, 14:51

wtf are you on about kid? leave the poor chase cam alone ;)

Mbrio

3rd September 2005, 15:46

It would be a dream if Tiff Needel could test it in Fifth gear, or Clarkson in Top gear.. ;) Now, that is publicity!... :)

With Clarkson crippled now, he did test GT4 for his Times column recently. Maybe the devs should sent him a copy of LFS ;)

dUmAsS

3rd September 2005, 16:06

ive got a feeling that crazy girl who did the nurberbring bits will be driving the cars

Boris Lozac

3rd September 2005, 16:35

With Clarkson crippled now, he did test GT4 for his Times column recently. Maybe the devs should sent him a copy of LFS ;)

Devs... have you think about this.. I think it's a great idea..! ;)
It would be a new house for each one of you, if all the people who watch Top gear would buy the game.. ;) :)

EricL

3rd September 2005, 16:43

I decided this and a couple of other strange sentences were due to this being a translation from an original written in French

FWIW I saw it in french on Motors TV yesterday and it was clear that they think the devs did listen to the players and did not add useless features.

Fetzo

3rd September 2005, 17:33

very nice review, i liked it :)

Bob Smith

3rd September 2005, 17:54

Hallen

3rd September 2005, 17:56

I think somebody just did a bad job of editing the copy. There are several places where the flow just did not work and there was no point to the statements.

Overall though, a nice review. It does seem a bit odd to me though. Where I work, magazines and even TV producers usually run copy (the text; what they wrote or are going to say) by us before they run it. We might not like everything they say about our products, but it will be correct on the technical aspects. We also offer suggestions on rewording things if we think it will be misunderstood or confusing. I guess this type of courtesy does not happen in the gaming world.
Please don't get to upset by this idea. Most of the items you read in a trade magazine or specialty magazines were written by the manufacturers in the first place, it is common practice.

cannonfodder

3rd September 2005, 19:14

if this review makes anything clear, is that the chase cam, as is in lfs atm, should be droped.

i stress this since day 1 of the chase cam. code it properly (preferably fixed to car alignment and a bit closer) or just drop it.

I strongly agree with this. As it is, the "lag" built into the camera makes the cars look floaty on the video and makes it difficult to judge direction while driving. It should be locked to the car's longitudinal axis. Perhaps with options for look-steer like with the cockpit views.

Mbrio

3rd September 2005, 19:20

Ehm, that's exactly what he's proposing and I agree.

KiDCoDEa

3rd September 2005, 19:26

FWIW I saw it in french on Motors TV yesterday and it was clear that they think the devs did listen to the players and did not add useless features.

well , if thats so, that makes a lot more sense than in english heehheeh :thumb:

Shotglass

3rd September 2005, 20:08

s2 has a drift track ?

dUmAsS

3rd September 2005, 20:33

carpark?

Shotglass

3rd September 2005, 20:41

carpark?

i like to call it wreckers heaven

Gunn

4th September 2005, 01:02

It should be locked to the car's longitudinal axis. Perhaps with options for look-steer like with the cockpit views.There is one problem with locking the cam to the axis. It looks very linear like those old arcade racing games trying to be sims (V8 Supercars by EA springs painfully to mind). The car moves like it has a pole up its arse. There would be a real danger of LFS being portrayed as even less of a sim if this view were adopted. Better to remove the chase cam altogether than make it look totally arcade.

2c

colcob

4th September 2005, 06:08

God yeah. GP2/GP3 had the 'pole up the ass' chase cam system and it was completely undriveable.

My suspicion is that its actually quite difficult to write a chase cam system that feels natural and it probably requires a lot of tweaking of values to get it feeling right for each car.

KiDCoDEa

4th September 2005, 08:46

yeah the first thing that pops to my mind when playing n2003 is "ARCADE OMG."

This is why i stopped making constructive suggestions in public sites and now i recall i must continue doing so. and i only posted a peaceful obvious fact.
Any chase cam can be considered dumb, but there are ones that are well done, and others badly done. fixed makes it more faithful to the sim.
this is so factual, there isnt even a place for discussion.

im done with this suggestions here.

LawVS

4th September 2005, 09:31

Nah don't let Clarkson review the game, it's only got to irk him slightly and he's gonna slate it in his usual way. Tiff would be a much better choice ONCE the physics are perfected.

Edit: Oh yeah, the review was pretty good though, I thought.

I suppose Tiff would be a nicer option, but to see Clarkson's reaction at how good the game is will be funny to watch :P.

Also, I seriously hope Sabine Schmidt does the reviews as they would be more objectional plus she is as awesome driver :O

Gunn

4th September 2005, 09:34

But isn't the chase cam only for viewing? Not for driving?

Also the distance (fov) can be changed like any other cam in LFS, which alters the appearance of the view. When you pull right back it does look a bit strange.

RAYfighter

4th September 2005, 10:37

Cool review, more LFS on TV please! :smileypul

Any chase cam can be considered dumb, but there are ones that are well done, and others badly done. fixed makes it more faithful to the sim.
this is so factual, there isnt even a place for discussion.

im done with this suggestions here.

I don't know if you are a game developer yourself or where are you getting your skyhigh selfesteem, but since you are done, let's move on topic.

Just like Gunn said, the chase cam is apparently here only for watching the car. Me, doing such a game review would use other cameras more often. I agree that the chase cam does not prove the sim qualities of the game. But the use of wheels cam was great IMO! Everybody talks load of crap how damn realistic they game is - I say show me! From the wheel cam I could clearly see that the player really HAVE to do the driving and the car perfectly listens to his actions.

I use the chase cam for reviewing accidents in replays, along with the heli/top view. With a distance adjustment it would be just perfect. I don't see the reason for removing it altogether.

KiDCoDEa

4th September 2005, 11:14

. I agree that the chase cam does not prove the sim qualities of the game. But the use of wheels cam was great IMO! Everybody talks load of crap how damn realistic they game is - I say show me! From the wheel cam I could clearly see that the player really HAVE to do the driving and the car perfectly listens to his actions.

never said wheels v wasnt great love :) in fact i played with it for the first year and a half, till i got the custom cam implemented due to scawen listening to good suggestions, so i could do my usual hood cam like in n2003. i said why it isnt real (coz it makes invisible what isnt therefore should be considered an analysis tool/feature more than anything).

if you dont know me, its not my problem,but please keep personal reviewing out of it. all the best and keep up on the opinions of the game.

i said im done on suggesting stuff for lfs in here for the meantime, and i am. thats all. dont make more of it than it is.

KiDCoDEa

4th September 2005, 11:20

But isn't the chase cam only for viewing? Not for driving?

NO.
but even if it was, which it isnt, my post would stand. control and physics feel, comes from referencing. void doesnt cut it. brain needs easy to read references. if you are dynamically changing them all the time u make ya brain think a lot more, and read a lot less out of it. especially since this dynamic change is a layer of interpretation on top of another thats already complex (the core physics engine) and totally unrelated to it.
you are just adding noise, thats even unrelated to the core (the worst kind), to the interpretation.
this is so obvious and so basic, that i see that even base subjects on which we should agree are a subject of "opinions" therefore i dont wanna post more on the subj. please understand me, not ego or anything, its just useless imo. better than knowing how to talk is knowing if that talk is reaching anyone. here it couldnt since basic principles arent even accepted.

btw u liked the trees on the downhill of so? same principle as here but relating to speed feeling.

RAYfighter

5th September 2005, 08:17

I didn't understand a word. oops...

ajp71

5th September 2005, 21:12

Tiff would be a much better choice ONCE the physics are perfected.

Not going to be difficult, he rated GT4 as being realistic...

Bob Smith

5th September 2005, 23:36

Not going to be difficult, he rated GT4 as being realistic...

Nobody's perfect.

Gabkicks

6th September 2005, 00:30

well, its not like tiff sits around playing videogames. it had a wheel, it had cars... fwd understeer... rwd well... thats how tiff came to his conclusion

Batterypark

6th September 2005, 00:38

well, its not like tiff sits around playing videogames. it had a wheel, it had cars... fwd understeer... rwd well... thats how tiff came to his conclusion

Yeah, that was hilarious :D

He drove the same bend twice, IIRC - Once with a FWD car (Civic Type R, maybe?) and a BMW M3. The FWD car understeered and the M3 spun out in the corner. He said something like "At least they got the basic handling characteristics right", which could be said for just about any racing game with both FWD and RWD cars.

tailing

6th September 2005, 08:15

Pretty good review, I've never seen the show but from what it appears to be the review was quite fair and reasonable.
Chase cam is something that showcases the game more than anything else which is why reviewers will use it, especially when the target audience isn't sim racers.

SamH

12th September 2005, 17:41

Yeah thanks Sherlock, run along now. Your childish little jab is not appreciated.

I think Gunn's original point is somewhat lost among the confusion. It was more about in-your-face advertising and sucky web design. So on that point specifically, I'll expound..

I do absolutely agree. It's quite a gross webpage. It IS possible to design a website that contains all that PAID advertising while providing a link to download a file, and have it visible, obvious, functional and easily used. I think the free hosting is good and appreciated, but accessibility falls short.

Perhaps they should hire someone to give their hosting a make-over. I've just walked a friend through her first website design. If it were professional, it would be laughed at, but for a first go it's a fine start. The free hosting site is a tenth what my friend has cranked out. They've broken every single golden rule I can think of, in site design. I'd be ashamed of it.

I'm an LFS fan, and I'm an enthusiastic website browser (and I'm a graphic design professional as well) and I have to say that I've seen some BRILLIANT Team and Clan websites associated with LFS. Sites built by LFS enthusiasts with a million times the design sense of the people at that PROFESSIONAL hosting site.

Gunn, your point was just heavy on the irony, and lost on many. Not all though.. I'm with you. And I DO do as you do, and move on from offensive websites. Don't give their stat counters your custom!

Keep it locked on :)

SamZ

nikimere

13th September 2005, 14:50

cool review!

It was the Motors TV Review of S1 that 1st got me into LFS a few years back. Pitty they didn't give the web address at the end... Anyway i hope it brings in the punters!

RoaGod

23rd September 2006, 19:42

Hi, can someone pls upload this Review? Rapidshare sucks :(

RoaGod

24th September 2006, 15:26

Nobody?

ORION

24th September 2006, 18:34

(mirror for LFS_Motors_TV.avi no longer online)

MRSisson

24th September 2006, 19:45

I do absolutely agree. It's quite a gross webpage. It IS possible to design a website that contains all that PAID advertising while providing a link to download a file, and have it visible, obvious, functional and easily used. I think the free hosting is good and appreciated, but accessibility falls short.

Perhaps they should hire someone to give their hosting a make-over. I've just walked a friend through her first website design. If it were professional, it would be laughed at, but for a first go it's a fine start. The free hosting site is a tenth what my friend has cranked out. They've broken every single golden rule I can think of, in site design. I'd be ashamed of it.

Those free hosting sites are specifically designed to be hard to find the download link. They WANT you to have to search all over the page (filled to the brim with ads) and in doing so it is inevitable that you will be reading some of the ads, no matter how hard you try. I know I can read a 'regular' web page and totally ignore the ads. They don't like that.

Technology has made it easier for us to ignore, dismiss, or delete advertisements from our media. Advertisers aren't just going to lay down and quit. They seem to be a sneaky, persistant lot. :shrug:

REDi

25th September 2006, 07:15

http://www.franknaggies.com/download/lfs/LFS_Motors_TV.avi

finally a working link THX !!!

blackfang

25th September 2006, 07:20

It's better to use YouTube if you want to share the movies..
Or, if you have your own web site, putting it on your site..

ORION

25th September 2006, 08:19

Or, if you have your own web site, putting it on your site..
Thats what I did :D

blackfang

25th September 2006, 09:04

Thats what I did :D

Yeah, I noticed:)
Am at work at the moment and I can't view the video, just hear the sound,
but when I get home, I will fire up the video and watch it...
Maybe put it on my web site as well.. Am trying to gather as much information about LFS as possible to use on my web site...

So far, I've gathered the FMR videos, interview with the developers and some other information..... Now I have to fire up a link to the wikipedia as well:thumb: