Swearing = Autokick / Word Censoring

[Chris758]

On a few servers, I have noticed that the server automatically kicks people for swearing. Could anyone tell me how to set my server up to do the same? Also, is there a way I can set up word censoring, so that certain words are blocked out before the messages appear?

[duke_toaster]

A filter isn't possible.

The kicking thing can be done with LFS Lapper.

[Chris758]

A filter isn't possible.

The kicking thing can be done with LFS Lapper.

Is that a patch?

[the_angry_angel]

An InSim "mod"; http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=3241

Incidentally, autokick on swearing is a ****ing bollocks idea.

[SkyNet]

I think that's a bad idea. Let people say what they want to say. Come on, we're not in China for christ's sake!

[RacingSimFan]

I think that's a bad idea. Let people say what they want to say. Come on, we're not in China for christ's sake!

But we may be in the presence of smaller members of our families. And since when did obsenity become such an irreplaceable part of human vocabulary anyway? Sure if I stub my toe, lose control of my car, or forget to do something really important I'll let a 'colorful metaphor' slip, but otherwise I try to maintain a degree of politeness at all times.

[Crazy Harry]

I think that's a bad idea.

I think that´s a good idea.

ffs!

Crazy Harry has left the server... :D

[tristancliffe]

I'll swear in front of people once I comfortable in the knowledge that I won't offend them, and that it's not too much. But until then, in both game chat, voice chat and real life I keep swearing to a minimum.

A filter would be a good thing, especially if it's an option.

[wheel4hummer]

I try not to swear, because I think it really sounds silly sometimes. But, if you crash, then what is wrong with going "OH SHIT?"

[Wuzzie]

Swearing, in general, is a show of lack in vocabulary. Sure, i might slip away some "not-allowed-for-television" rants, once in a while.
I feel, however, that from the point of saying "-Oh Sh*t, i crashed!" to actually pressing T, typing it and pushing enter.. well.. i feel it better to just have a key designated with "Ooops!" "Ouch!" or "That´ll leave a mark in the morning" is more appropriate.

And in the same way it kind of makes the situation easier to handle than your regular "S@€€$$½½ nooob-crasher!" Which just might be recognized as offensive for some people... ;)

I´m happy to say that SDRA is a Zero-Foul-mouth-tolerance Team. :thumb:

OT: People look funny at me, when i tell them my brother is a christian..
"-But you curse and rant from time to time?"
"-Yes i do.. In the proper surroundings. Like this S**tb*x Computer of mine... :D

[Gabkicks]

yeah i think swearing is okay in moderation. just like salt or cinnamon.

^^ is your avatar of a navel orange? i'd like to use it on other forums lol.

[mrodgers]

Stubbing your toe or something of that matter, is one thing to blurt out an explicive. During typing chat on a keyboard, is it really neccessary? To hit "t" and type it out on a keyboard for chat in an online game takes thought in what you are typing. Therefore it really isn't the same as stubbing your toe, BAM, Ah.. F.... And yes, you'd be surprised how well my 5 yr old daughter can drive a car in LFS. She may be driving online against some of you. But being 5 years old, she may have a tendency to wack into you in a corner or something. It is not neccessary to exclaim "Ah...F..." when that is usually a quick surprise response to stubbing your toe, not a thought out response to type out on a keyboard to a 5 year old.

Ok, my 5 yr old doesn't race online. She does play with LFS though. But what about that father who says, "go ahead and try it out. I'll check it out with you" when that 12 year old goes online with the LFS demo for the first time to try to talk dad into buying a license for him. Then that father sees a bunch of morons swearing and acting like idiots in the game and bans his son from joining this passion of sim racing we (mostly adults) have.

[[RCG]Boosted]

its good...
when some1 calls anybody motherf.... or stuff like that thats a kick...
for shit or staff like that nothing.. the "light" words r ok but yea there alot of stuff that makes me wanting that option.

[tristancliffe]

I don't use TS much, but I did when I was in vMax. Kirves used to connect to, but he is a very quiet guy.

Most of the race we'd just hear his FFB motor complaining as he twirled the wheel, and occasionally he'd just say (quite loudly) 'Aahhh SHIT', then offer a brief explanation like 'I spun' or 'Sorry'.

Not actually that funny I know, but at the time the contrast between silence and swearing was quite comedic.

[tristancliffe]

I always thought it looked more like a burn victim's puckered butthole but maybe that's just the way my imagination works. Yes it is an orange, found in my mother's fruitbowl one day, long since eaten. Use it if you like. :)


You ate it? That explains a lot!

[Jakg]

it's alright, however i have had an experience with one on a demo server a few days ago, and after being completely taken out i said "what are you playing at you idiot?" and got kicked - which seems a little bit heavy-handed!

[Gunn]

I kick people if they don't swear by T4.

[Theafro]

Swearing, in general, is a show of lack in vocabulary

You don't know as many swearwords as I do :D

[SamH]

When the UKCT lot race together, we use TS. We all know each other, and we tend to swear at each other a lot. Our bud Steve decided to make a compilation of soundbites from one of our race nights. DO NOT CLICK HERE (http://www.ukct.net/dlfiles/LFS_swearathon.mp3) unless you're prepared for some profanity :)

[Dumpy]

I think a profanity filter is a much better idea than an auto-kick. The way it's implemented in several online games that I've played is that by default any word that matches the filter just shows up as gibberish, as if the person had typed, "You kaodwim goat-kissing son of a laothesjkclr!" whereas if you prefer, you can turn the censorship off and see the beautiful blasphemy in all its glory.

Swearing, in general, is a show of lack in vocabulary.

You don't know as many swearwords as I do :D

:thumb:

[tinyk]

I kick people if they don't swear by T4.lol I'd be in for a perm ban racing with you then. :shy: :)

~*~*~*~tinyk~*~*~*~

[wsinda]

Filter or autokick, it won't work. From what I learnt about Artificial Intelligence in university, I'm confident that a computer program is no match for human creativity when it comes to swearing.

[[RCG]Boosted]

it wont be perfect of course instead of gay u say g@y or ghey or whatever.
but...since u r used to write them "right" it will reduce it.
i like that option from enemy territory where u get automuted for a certain time (config setting how long it will be usually 1 min) and that mostly works and they stop swearing after that :)

[shim]

IRL i swear heaps.. online its bout half as much, but its insane with how much i do swear.. im surrounded all the time with it from work, mates and other ppl.. so before i start playin im usually kicked from a LFS lapper server.. :P

[Chris758]

I think there should be a feature which allows certain words to be blocked out from messages, or for messages containing them to be blocked.

[Bob Smith]

Merged.

[Becky Rose]

autokick on swearing is a ****ing bollocks idea.
It's a great idea. Sometimes my nephews watch when i'm racing.

[Funnybear]

If there is a big sign at the server entry that ses. 'NO SWEARING!!' then fine, cool and dandy. I've been told so it's up to me. What I hate is the imediate kicks from foul language when you didn't happen to read the small print. I'm quite happy to be told and I can adjust my behaviour from then on. But it really gets my goat when I'm dumped out on my arse for using the 'ing word.

Used to really annoy me on BF2. A game about killing people in lots of imaginative ways and you can't swear on half the servers. You then get a perma ban because you said a naughty word. But you could still cheat and your still KILLING people. Couldn't understand that.

And in a way it's the same with LFS. Sure run a no swear server. It's your server so long as I'm told I'll obey or go somewhere else.

But I'm sure you hear real drivers swear in real life. Particularily if they are heading for a crash. This is a sim after all.

Plus as an englishman I know so many swear words that arnt' on half the swear filters out there. I love my language.

[duke_toaster]

IRL i swear heaps.. online its bout half as much, but its insane with how much i do swear.. im surrounded all the time with it from work, mates and other ppl.. so before i start playin im usually kicked from a LFS lapper server.. :P

I swear on MSN and Teamspeak a lot, but never in LFS.

Anyway, the S****horpe problem makes a f*cking mockery of swear filters. That's why IMO forums don't need it.

[Funnybear]

I F**'ing think you should be able to f**king swear where ever the bl**dy h*ll you F***king want to. Freedom of F***ing speech I say. No more F***king censorship, B*ll*cks to all s**ding that I say. Sc*ew the T**sing fat W**kers who dictate to me what I can and can't B**ody well say. D**n them all. D**n all them fat T***pots, the C***s, the G***s, the W****ry, T*t F***ing, A*** probing, G**, S*** headed A***holes!!!

(I once repeated that speech in church. Needless to say I was asked not to come back and could I please leave the collection plate behind. Do you know how hard it is to talk in stars. I don't think my sense of humour has a sense of preservation. And if you had any sense I wouldn't try and make any sense from the little speech obove. It's nonesensecal.)

[Primoz]

One of the other racers online might be a middle-aged woman from the Victorian era. Or maybe someone had a relative who died of shit - they might get upset.

The only thing i'm upset by is your avatar Kev :pillepall :D

[Becky Rose]

I F**'ing think you should be able to f**king swear where ever the bl**dy h*ll you F***king want to. Freedom of F***ing speech I say
There's another country that has a constitution with free speach in it, but it's not Wales (although Manhattan Island is technically private property belonging to a Welsh family descended from a pirate).

[Jamexing]

I agree that incessant swearing must be minimized. However, to ban someone just because one swears for some reason is potentially dangerous and possibly unfair.

For instance, someone who races well somehow has a bad day. Unfortunately he crashes that day on some online race for no fault of his own. In fact, he was basically "body braked" out of the track by some complete idiot who just can't race properly. Anyone would swear their hearts out because of this.

Imagine if a normally well mannered racer was banned permanently just because of 1 swear session due to no fault of his own. That would:

1. Drive him/her into a deeper hole.
2. Cause massive resentment of the server or even LFS itself.

Conclusively, judgement of one's right to stay shouldn't be based on the use of swear words themselves. It's only justifiable to ban someone if one swears pointlessly with remarkable consistancy, like that silly passage somewhere in this thread.

[Funnybear]

There's another country that has a constitution with free speach in it, but it's not Wales (although Manhattan Island is technically private property belonging to a Welsh family descended from a pirate).

Right thats it . . I'm changing my flag. I am not welsh. Damn country. Didn't give me a job, did give me an ex, debt, a baby and sucked two years of my life away.

I am ENGLISH!!!

No idea why that flag is in my thingy so I'm going to find a way of changing it . . . . . . .

-edit- well that didn't work. Lets try again.

-edit- damnit. I dunno how to do it. But from now on please replace the welsh flag for the ENGLISH one. Ta.

[duke_toaster]

You need to do it in LFSW.

[Captain Slow]

Swearing, in general, is a show of lack in vocabulary

then ill admit im a thick f**k!! :D

[dontsimon]

I was playing online pool and I missed a shot. I put in the chat "Oh Bob!"

The american guy I was playing said "What?" I explained it was a UK slang word for sh*t. He said "Really? Is it? I thought you were asking me something, it happens to be my name."

[duke_toaster]

The "S****horpe problem" is what makes me against swear filters.

Here's a thought about censorship in general http://www.pythonline.com/plugs/idle/FCCSong.mp3

[ajp71]

I thought there was no ****ing swear filter on this forum?

As for in LFS an optional filter (like in N2003) maybe a worthwhile addition. IRL I often swear alot (situation depending) in LFS I occasionally swear and on the forums hardly ever.


EDIT - OK there is a swear filter but I'm sure it doesn't filter out crap or bollocks or bullshit

[deggis]

Stupid idea. I hate auto-censoring even on forums. It's just stupid. I have a right to swear if I see it's needed, goddamnit! :D

On the other hand lamer 1337!1111 language censoring would be good.

[Becky Rose]

Right thats it . . I'm changing my flag. I am not welsh. Damn country. Didn't give me a job, did give me an ex, debt, a baby and sucked two years of my life away.

I am ENGLISH!!!

Then you have even less right to free speach! At least Welsh people can use Welsh and say what they like (because nobody can understand them).

EDIT:
I explained it was a UK slang word for sh*t.
I think you should have said it's a [insert name of road] slang word for it, because i've never heard the word Bob being used to describe such an effluent subject.

[the_angry_angel]

I think you should have said it's a [insert name of road] slang word for it, because i've never heard the word Bob being used to describe such an effluent subject.Me either... although I have been reliably informed that BOB means Battery Operated Boyfriend :x

[dontsimon]

I think you should have said it's a [insert name of road] slang word for it,

Eh? I must be slow, I don't get this.

Really, have you guys never heard the term 'don't bob yer pants'?

[Funnybear]

Then you have even less right to free speach! At least Welsh people can use Welsh and say what they like (because nobody can understand them).


Oh. Oh really.

Right. Ok then.

Like. Right. Yes. Fine. Sure. Ok . . . . Then.

Moving on. . ..


Ummmmmm.

[StewartFisher]

Stupid idea. I hate auto-censoring even on forums. It's just stupid. I have a right to swear if I see it's needed, goddamnit! :DDo you really believe you have a right to swear?
If so, I'd like to claim my right to avoid seeing swearing...stalemate!

[Funnybear]

Thats not stalemate. Thats freedom of choice. Don't be around him when he swears and he won't be around you when you don't won't him to swear.

But. Feel free to take the moral highground when you are around someone who swears. That way you can feel righteous, upstanding and proper. But If I find out that you only not swear on a sunday and that the first thing you say to your work colleagues on a monday morning is 'Hell yea!' then i withholde the freedom to call you a hypocrite.

My point being that nobody is perfect. I know saints who swear like troopers and sinners who are preachers. You make your choice and I shall make mine. I have nobody to blame but myself and I hold nobody to blame for you other than yourself.

[dontsimon]

Swearing only exists so mankind can offend itself.

[the_angry_angel]

Do you really believe you have a right to swear?
If so, I'd like to claim my right to avoid seeing swearing...stalemate!Solution: per user preferences on swearing.

Swearing only exists so mankind can offend itself.Surely thats an obvious statement?

[MoonForce]

Boosted;202785']its good...
when some1 calls anybody motherf.... or stuff like that thats a kick...
for shit or staff like that nothing.. the "light" words r ok but yea there alot of stuff that makes me wanting that option.

what means a silly kick from a server, he re-enteres and flooding with rekcufrehtom (<-- read that way) again, best way would be a filter like here in forum that makes instead of rekcufrehtom that ***********!

he can curse what he want but for us it will be just a mystery what he wants to tell us :D

[Hog700]

Arse.





Thank you. I feel better for that.

[Funnybear]

No problem.


We aim to please.

[Becky Rose]

Really, have you guys never heard the term 'don't bob yer pants'?
Nope.

Feel free to take the moral highground when you are around someone who swears. That way you can feel righteous, upstanding and proper.
I dont need the moral highground to feel like that.

Stupid idea. I hate auto-censoring even on forums. It's just stupid. I have a right to swear if I see it's needed, goddamnit! :D
Well not really, no you dont. You can get away with what the forums let you get away with, but remember the agreement says you cannot cause offense and many people find swearing offensive.

Personally I use the odd swearword, usually either a mild one (ie: dammit!) or a more boisterous one for comedic effect, having said that I find it unpleasant to read posts littered with unecessary swearing, more problematical is when people swear online whilst racing for no other reason than they can.

I've lost track of the number of conversations i've seen online where the only word to appear that wasn't 'offensive' was the ocassional pronoun, usually miss-spelt.

When you consider what such conversations actually achieve, a mild amount of emotional relief for the swearer in exchange for increased tension stress when the swearing is reciprocated, I really dont see much point in it.

Sure we all loose our rag at times, but I just think habbitual swearing is both unecessary and a frankly, a bit off-putting.

[travbrad]

But we may be in the presence of smaller members of our families. And since when did obsenity become such an irreplaceable part of human vocabulary anyway? Sure if I stub my toe, lose control of my car, or forget to do something really important I'll let a 'colorful metaphor' slip, but otherwise I try to maintain a degree of politeness at all times.

Why is it that these certain words are considered "bad" in the first place though? They are just words. I don't swear often either, but i don't like censorship

[Becky Rose]

bt thr b a diff btw3n spellz dat m3nt 2 b bad n m3 b iliterat

[Tomi]

It's a great idea. Sometimes my nephews watch when i'm racing.

And you really thinks that he will never hear such words ? I bet if he was your son, you wouldn't allow him to go to school...kids hear so many bad words at school, it's too dangerous for him :x

BTW, I don't like filters. There are too much false positive and in case you all don't know, the whole world don't necessarily speak english as a primary language and are sometimes kicked because the word they used contain the same letter sequences.

I know we should all talk in english in random public servers, but sometimes I perfectly know that all drivers connected to a server are french or german speaking people and I don't want to be kicked by a stupid bot.

If there is a need for a filter, this should be client side. Afterall, the LFS servers won't prevents Becky's nephew to start a browser and connect to a child porn website while she is in the WC ;)

[Bob Smith]

Afterall, the LFS servers won't prevents Becky's nephew to start a browser and connect to a child porn website while she is in the WC ;)
I always got the impression it was dirty old men that went to child porn websites, rather than other children. :shrug:

[Becky Rose]

And you really thinks that he will never hear such words ? I bet if he was your son, you wouldn't allow him to go to school...kids hear so many bad words at school, it's too dangerous for him :x
My nephews understand what bad words are, they have two friends who do not. The difference in their speach and 'yo ma momma' attitude after they play with those friends is noticeable. The key it seems, is limited exposure.

With regards to client side filtering of English swearing, yes that would be preffered, both in browsers and in the LFS client. Currently neither do this, Cepe.

[Becky Rose]

I dont think watching online racing needs to be innapropriate though, does it?

Motor racing is a sport you can start to take part in competetive racing from the age of 8, it is a family sport, I should know as I was born into it. My mother was a socket set and my father a tub of Swarfega. My Dad raced, my brother races, I race, my sister chose kids and my Mum looks the other way, but we're a racing family like many others so as I grew up I spent many days at race tracks with my family, and later with my friends. It's a family sport, why should LFS be made a special exception just because half a dozen toss pots cant keep their mouth clean because they've got testosterone issues?

[zeugnimod]

Heres proof.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWMlpqUO6AE

:D:D:D

[Becky Rose]

Sure people swear, but not as much as they do in LFS.

TYPICAL LFS conversation:
1: fuk u
2: asshole
1: wanker
2: blue flag moron! ****ING MOVE!
1: piss off
2: fu
3: calm down
1: fu 2
2: piss off wanker
1: shit head

Typical Real world conversation:
Mechanic: Ah me ****ing foot
Crew: LOL

[Gentlefoot]

I dont think watching online racing needs to be innapropriate though, does it?

Motor racing is a sport you can start to take part in competetive racing from the age of 8, it is a family sport, I should know as I was born into it. My mother was a socket set and my father a tub of Swarfega. My Dad raced, my brother races, I race, my sister chose kids and my Mum looks the other way, but we're a racing family like many others so as I grew up I spent many days at race tracks with my family, and later with my friends. It's a family sport, why should LFS be made a special exception just because half a dozen toss pots cant keep their mouth clean because they've got testosterone issues?


some of us have all the luck. I haven't even managed to get my parents to come and watch me sprinting. I used to play squash for Surrey and used to have to make my own way to tournaments!

[Tomi]

I always got the impression it was dirty old men that went to child porn websites, rather than other children. :shrug:

I suppose it can happen accidently while trying to get informations about sex. I always hear about software filters to prevent childs to reach a porn or pedophile website accidently.

[mrodgers]

The truth of the matter is, it's about being a responsible adult and respectful to others. Now, at work, if we had a kick/ban filter for swearing, no one would be left in the plant, LOL. One of my work areas in particular, there is one older lady who works with us. When she is on shift, you won't hear 1 swear word all day. Perhaps someone may slip now and then, but everyone is respectful because they know she doesn't like to hear it.
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F**kin-A, the truth is, it's all about being a f**king responsible adult and f**king respectful to all the a**holes out there. Now, at work, f**k, if we had a f**king kick/ban filter bulls**t for the way we f**king talk, there wouldn't be anyone left in the f**king plant, LOL. One of my f**king work areas in particular, there is one fking older b**ch who works with us. When she is on f**king shift, you won't hear one f**king swear word all day. Perhaps someone may f**k up now and then, but everyone is f**king respectful of her s**t-a** attitude.
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It's no hard to do, not swearing, especially in typed text. Typed text takes more thought than actual verbal language. So, to swear in text, it's my opinion that it is deliberate, unlike in verbal where it may be habit. That above was actually quite hard to do as it took more thought to type the second thought than the first one. And not because of the asterisks, I typed it out then changed it all to asterisks.

Think of it this way. Would you talk to your mother or grandmother like that? In order to be respectful towards others, you need to talk to them as you would talk to your own mother or grandmother.

[mrodgers]

I suppose it can happen accidently while trying to get informations about sex. I always hear about software filters to prevent childs to reach a porn or pedophile website accidently.
From what I understand, those same filters prevent you from going to legitimate sites quite frequently as well. They are more of a PITA than anything.

[Doorman]

The truth of the matter is, it's about being a responsible adult and respectful to others. Now, at work, if we had a kick/ban filter for swearing, no one would be left in the plant, LOL. One of my work areas in particular, there is one older lady who works with us. When she is on shift, you won't hear 1 swear word all day. Perhaps someone may slip now and then, but everyone is respectful because they know she doesn't like to hear it.
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Think of it this way. Would you talk to your mother or grandmother like that? In order to be respectful towards others, you need to talk to them as you would talk to your own mother or grandmother.

*Sigh* There ya go, talking sense agin. When will you learn?

[travbrad]

Sure people swear, but not as much as they do in LFS.

TYPICAL LFS conversation:
1: fuk u
2: asshole
1: wanker
2: blue flag moron! ****ING MOVE!
1: piss off
2: fu
3: calm down
1: fu 2
2: piss off wanker
1: shit head

Typical Real world conversation:
Mechanic: Ah me ****ing foot
Crew: LOL

Yeah, i never see anything near this in LFS...I'd say 99% of the things said in LFS are just friendly convo or "good pass/race" etc.

[Funnybear]

Sure people swear, but not as much as they do in LFS.

Typical Real world conversation:
Mechanic: Ah me ****ing foot
Crew: LOL


Ok. You've been racing since eight. So. Can you remember when you where first exposed to 'foul' language. Where did you learn these words from?

I can't remember. Schoo, scouts, judo, grownups. . . . I learn't words from all over the place. You do as a child, you absorb. The important thing is is to teach you children what are good words and what are bad. My daughter will be using the word '****' at aged three, at least. It's my jpb to then explain to her that the word **** is a bad word and not to be used. She will get the word **** from anywhere. I can almost garantee that she won't get it from the internet or any game that she see's me playing. Where she will get it from is either from her older brother, playgroup, or from hearing it from someone walking down the street.

Language changes and mutates through the ages. TBH if the continued usage of extreme foul language continues on the 'net' then the actual potency is lost. I use language now that my parents (Apart from the fact they are christian) would never have deampt of using. They would have used ****** as a everydaqy term. But they wouldn't have used Gay. Now, I use Gay within everyday speech but will not use ******.

It's up to us, the parent, guardian, awe inspirer, to educate our youngsters in what lanhuage is appropiate.

I can't see how you can call LFS a simulation and not simulate everyday speech. I am sure tha language used by real racers is just as colourful, ifnot more, than what we are exposed to in LFS. If you don't want your nephews exposed to foul language then don't expose them to LFS....

It's part and parcel. You can't seperate the racing from the humanity. You can't use that as an escuse, 'Why can't my nephew watch racing without having to cope with the language' well, why should LFS have to deal with the language just so your nephew can watch?