Spoiler - Wow what a race that was!!

[DaveWS]

Alonso has the championship won now I reckon. Massa drove a great race, and I just love seeing old shuey struggling!

Comments please:

[mr grady]

alonso showed what a star he is by holding off schumi.........(surely, that H isnt needed!!!)

like the guys on tv said, it all started with MS's mistake in qualy, so only himself to blame.

a cracking race though, and i hope that alonso takes the title........he is a worthy champion.

[tristancliffe]

Great race, but disappointed the horse managed to keep him behind :( But I don't think 12 points is enough to clinch the championship, so hopefully it'll go down to the wire.

Why ITV can't be bothered to show the full press conference, and cut to Mark Blundell the blifering idiot who can't speak properly I don't know... But at least the irritating Team Chicken ad breaks have gone.

[NotAnIllusion]

Fisi's such a noob :( Again Räikkönen's out of competition and nothing he could do about it (yes I know he drove off on his own later but was he going to challenge the leaders had he stayed on the track).

Good racing after the last pitstop, although I would have preferred Schumacher passing Alonso and Massa taking the win. Definitely one of the most action packed races of this year in the end.

[DaveWS]

Do you reckon that Schumacher will race next year, now that he will have serious difficulties beating Alonso for the championship?

[Madman_CZ]

Great race, but disappointed the horse managed to keep him behind :( But I don't think 12 points is enough to clinch the championship, so hopefully it'll go down to the wire.

Why ITV can't be bothered to show the full press conference, and cut to Mark Blundell the blifering idiot who can't speak properly I don't know... But at least the irritating Team Chicken ad breaks have gone.

i second that!

Was one of the best races of the season by far, it actually got me excited in some parts. Being a Schumey fan i am obviously disappoined he didnt do Alonso but i am very pleased for Massa. Last year when ferrari announced that he was signed many people doubted him, and werent too keen on him but during the last 6-7 races he has really come about. He showed he has the speed, maturity, and professionalism in him to win races.

and like tristan i dont know why ITV cut away from Michael when he was just about to talk about the closing laps, so irritating, not to mention we have to put up with James Allen for the whole race. Doesnt that guy ever get flu, or injuries or other sort of commitment so that he doesnt comentate? me is eeeviiiil! :mischievo

i just so wish we could have them use seperate audio channels so i can mute Mr Allen.....!

but over all i actually enjoyed waching this race...

mad

[wE1l]

Great race, but disappointed the horse managed to keep him behind :( But I don't think 12 points is enough to clinch the championship, so hopefully it'll go down to the wire.

Why ITV can't be bothered to show the full press conference, and cut to Mark Blundell the blifering idiot who can't speak properly I don't know... But at least the irritating Team Chicken ad breaks have gone.


Istanbul friggin rocks.:thumb:

It's an improvement from ITV actually, they used to cut right after the winner finishes the first question!

[zeugnimod]

Yes, was a good race and Im very happy with the result. :D
Dont want this "§$%%/$§ to win another championship, before he finally retires.

However, the GP2 race this morning was still much better, especially Glock vs. Hamilton. :tilt:

[bbman]

Besides the T1 carnage and the battle for second at the end, nothing very interesting... :shrug:

Did I see right that almost EVERY corner on this track is slightly banked? How boring... :x

[Tango]

when i saw the thead title i thought you were goin to talk about the gp2 race, its a shame f1 cant match gp2 for excitement.
Bluemooney

[tristancliffe]

Lesser drivers (the vast majority don't have the talent for F1 (although some might make up for talent with money)), slower simpler similar cars running on GP tracks will of course mean that feeder series' will always have more 'incidents'.

Unfortunately people think that incidents = a good race, a view I do not subscribe to.

In F1 there is the best drivers, in the most advanced cars, at higher speeds, with more traction, better brakes, better aero (and hence worse for the following car), very dissimilar cars. F1 has never, and never will be what the masses want. People who think old F1 was more exciting to watch are sadly looking at it through rose-tinted spectacles. It's always been 'dull' to those not interested in the finer points of motor racing. To those who are interested in the finer points (the technical, the political, the skill etc) then F1 remains the pinnacle.

[MAGGOT]

I think F1 is the pinnacle because of the technology, and the talent required to drive such beasts. The political aspect I can do without, though. Politics is what killed NASCAR for me, and it is definately ruining F1 imho.

To me though, close racing is what makes a race interesting to watch. I like hearing/reading about the cool innovations in F1, but nothing beats a side-by-side battle imho.

Was a great race; Congrats to Massa, and to Alonso for holding off the scum, erm.. Schumi, behind him.

[Becky Rose]

Credit is due to Alonso on this one, before the race I thought he'd get Schumacher at the start and get hopped at the pit stops. How wrong I was.

When Schumacher was closing down Alonso I thought there's no way he'll be able to hold him off. How wrong I was.

There are times when it is nice to be wrong :).

[J.B.]

Yes, was a good race and Im very happy with the result. :D
Dont want this "§$%%/$§ to win another championship, before he finally retires.

However, the GP2 race this morning was still much better, especially Glock vs. Hamilton. :tilt:

Yeah, that was classic stuff. In fact I think I will upload a video of it later. F1 was good too but I'm not sure 12 points is enough. The 1.1 seconds gap in Q2 were scary. :tilt:

[Hoellsen]

Unfortunately people think that incidents = a good race, a view I do not subscribe to.

Today's GP2 race was not great because of accidents but because of great racing (passing and defending) going on. Granted, Hamilton could only pass so many because he spun early on, but nevertheless, the GP2 is far from being an idiots' series where it only gets exciting because of crashes. If you consider passing incidents, it would be a different story of course, but then you would have no clue of racing. ;)

[Becky Rose]

I dont watch GP2 because every race Steve Ryder spoils the result 1 week before I can watch it, and there's nothing worse than watching a race when you already know the result.

[Dumpy]

Doh I guess "Spoiler" should have clued me in ^.^ Taped a bunch of stuff this morning but didn't get the chance to watch it. Just caught the last bit of the Rolex series at Infineon.

And in the process I found out that Infineon Raceway is about 5-10 minutes away from the town I'm moving to in a couple months!! That made my day; I can't wait to be able to catch races IRL again, plus they do karting and race school all the time it seems! Haven't lived near a track for 12 or 13 years =-/

Anyway congrats to Mr. Alonso, I'm sure it was well won. Especially looking forward to watching that now.

[Paul_McCluskey]

i enjoyed the race today, turkey is a good circuit for racing and last years was also good to watch along with suzuka, rest were rather boring in comparison.

[_rod_]

Congrats to Massa and his 1st win, wich we (me!!!! :D) know that more wins will come!! After all his brazilian!!!
jokes apart, i didnt watch the whole racem but "best moments" so i cant really comment on this race, as for the last races, i think thats slowly F1 is becoming more fun to watch, or is it just me?

[Tweaker]

FRICKIN HELLL

Thanks for spoiling the results!!!!!!! Please put **SPOLIER** in the title or something, for crying out loud :doh:

Blah, probably already did say spoiler, but I didn't see that, lies lies!!! :D

[turbo4door]

what an awesome track. Only wish Rosberg could have held on a bit better. I knew something was up, he's never that far up :)

turn 8 is just amazing. But damn does it need a name!

[Jakg]

turn 8 - oddly like the last turn of WE1? :D

[tristancliffe]

No it isn't Jakg? The last turn of westhill is a hairpin with an opening exit.

[J.B.]

Here's a clip of Hamilton vs Glock. 128 MB MPEG-2.

http://rapidshare.de/files/31044972/2006_istanbul_hamilton_glock.mpg.html

[Jakg]

No it isn't Jakg? The last turn of westhill is a hairpin with an opening exit.feels a bit like it, but smaller to me...

[DaveWS]

Turn 8 in Turkey is basically flat out, whereas the final turn at WE is like 100 mph in 3rd or something

[Rappa Z]

Was one of the best races in my life, that last 15 laps were great.

All though, we all know that if schumi wasn't stacked in the pits or didn't go of in turn 8(lost 4 seconds there) he would have had second.

[sil3ntwar]

More like he would have had first.

[turbo4door]

More like he would have had first.

gotta love the team orders :thumbsdow

[Rob76]

More like he would have had first.

Very true. That was the main reason I was glad Schumacher didn't get past Alonso, because if he did, it's almost certain Massa would have suffered 'brake problems' in the last few laps (remember Irvine 6 or 7 years ago). It would have been criminal to see Massa have to give up his first win, especially in loyalty to a team who seem unwilling to commit to him beyond 2006 until Schumacher and Kimi make up their minds.

The order they finished was the order they deserved, all things considered. Schumacher suffered a little under the SC due to the stacking in the pits, but that's the way it falls when your teammate's ahead in those circumstances. If they'd left Massa out for an extra lap, the likely result was Scumacher 1st and Alonso 2nd, which is only gaining 2 points. Ferrari played for 4 and lost the gamble due to Schumacher's (very satisfying) mistake at turn 8. Alonso's defense for the last 15 laps was great to watch, especially as it was on a track where overtaking is very possible.

The Ferrari/Bridgestone package is now looking like the stronger package, so unlike those who wanted the championship closed up for the championship's sake, I think the current gap is better for a close battle to the end. Had Schumacher closed the gap to 6 points, it would be looking like a fairly easy championship for him, even without support from Massa. As it stands (and with reliability from Ferrari and Renault), he's really got to go out and earn it.

[Hankstar]

That Nando/Schumi battle was great to watch :up: It really highlighted the differences between their cars with Michael catching at every slow corner and Fernando just buggering off into the distance on every fast section. I liked that they chose to show the in-car view from Michael for those last few corners with him right up Fernando's gearbox, great stuff! There seemed to be a lot more in-car from Istanbul than there normally is, which was great considering there were several good battles to watch throughout the race. I'd be pleased to see that much in-car from every round actually...

I'm a fan of the Istanbul track, especially that wicked triple apex of turn 8 (I think it's 8) and the fact that there's more than one passing spot. Is it a Tilke track? It certainly doesn't seem to have his trademark techy no-pass bullshit all over it. If only all F1 races could be that good to watch :nod:

[Becky Rose]

Yes it's Tilke's way of saying sorry to the public, but sadly it doesn't always produce a good race - but then nowhere does. We still need a random sprinkler system on the side of the track...

[Funnybear]

And prehaps at half time we could have 'MULTIBALL!!'. . . .

No. Wait. Sorry, wrong sport . . .

[VALE 46]

Fisi's such a noob :( Again Räikkönen's out of competition and nothing he could do about it (yes I know he drove off on his own later but was he going to challenge the leaders had he stayed on the track).

You do know he spun on purpose to avoid a collision with Alonso
http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=37148

[NotAnIllusion]

Which is why he is a noob. He caused a _huge_ T1 incident where _several_ cars were involved. In contrast had he ploughed into Alonso and conveniently for Schumacher taken him out of the race he would have only affected _one_ other car on the track and may _not_ have caused a big T1 incident. I'll stick with my opinion. :)

[Becky Rose]

I'd have done the same.

[NotAnIllusion]

I'd have done the same.
Yes, it's good to stick with an opinion. I'm sure you would have stuck with yours :smileypul

[Becky Rose]

I didn't voice a positive opinion on Fissichella until just then. The most solidly formed opinion here I think isn't regarding an F1 driver at all.

[keiran]

In no circumstance would you take your team mate out when your as slow as Fisi ;) Fisi is just hanging on by a shoe string in Formula One, he never performs and just falls down the order. So take out your championship contending driver you aint going to be popular in the garage no matter who cut who off. He is costing Renault the constructors championship, Alonso is the one doing all the work for both championships.

Schumacher deserved what he got, he messed up twice in the same corner on new sets of tyre during qualifying. He had such a huge car advantage but cracked under pressure, a common problem with him it seems. Alonso is keeping his head and doing a far better job in a car which is obviously not as strong as the Bridgestone/Ferrari combination.

If it goes down to the wire with something like a point in it will we see repeats of 94, 97 ...

Keiran

[Becky Rose]

aye: In no circumstances do you take your team mate out, period. And let's not forget the situation wasn't caused by Fissi, he was just in a predicament to try and avoid his team mate who in turn was avoiding a somewhat animated Schumacher. It happens.

[NotAnIllusion]

ppl seriously need an extra summer class in reading between the lines (I don't mean that in a bad way, you just missed the entire plot of why I criticised Fisi) :scratchch

But nevermind, I think Fisi is a noob because he's slow and caused an accident that resulted in the only countryman in F1 to have no chance. :)

[tristancliffe]

I've always liked Fisi. I'd pay extra to keep him in F1. I wouldn't pay a cent to keep Alonso in F1 though...

[BigDave2967]

I've always liked Fisi. I'd pay extra to keep him in F1. I wouldn't pay a cent to keep Alonso in F1 though...

Why is that?

[tristancliffe]

Because he's quite possibly the dullest driver ever. Boring to look at. Boring to listen to. Boring to watch drive. Just boring. Even Mansell and Kimi, two drivers noted for having boring 'TV Personalities' are at least exciting and cool in their own way.

Fisi just reeks coolness. He's always veri 'appy. Gotta love it!

[Becky Rose]

Alonso is dull, Tristan has a point. I dont think his driving is dull though, he's always been mighty impressive and admittedly I was beginning to doubt him this year (even said as much on these forums) and then he goes and does this...

Mansell was the same in many ways, although possibly has a better personallity (provided you dont mind the t and the a being dropped from the word team).

[keiran]

I really like Alonso's driving style. It's so different to everyone else, how many drivers have the car understeer so much yet go so quickly? It really worked well for him at Hungary in the wet.

[mr grady]

Because he's quite possibly the dullest driver ever. Boring to look at. Boring to listen to. Boring to watch drive. Just boring. Even Mansell and Kimi, two drivers noted for having boring 'TV Personalities' are at least exciting and cool in their own way.

Fisi just reeks coolness. He's always veri 'appy. Gotta love it!

have you met the man?

its a formula one RACE, not personailty competition.

who else other than alonso would have kept schumacher behind him for a dozen laps in an inferior car?

and yes, ive met him and he is a pleasent, nice guy who doesnt feel the need to cheat and thats why he is a worthy F1 champ.

[Becky Rose]

Schumacher's probably a nice guy if you actually meet and speak to him, but that's no substitute for shouting abuse at the screen :) !

[tristancliffe]

Have you met him? I mean really met him. Not shaken hands and said hi kind of meet, but sat down and had a chat over a pint (of water)? I didn't think so.

I don't think you can make a judgement about a persons real personality from a 30 second burst of PR. But I believe I can make a judgement from seeing him interviewed during highs and lows, during PR bits and more informal bits etc etc.

Martin Brundle is a nice guy. And yes, I have met him, over a pint or two, when we bought his Piper Lance Turbo II off him several years back (when he was a current F1 driver). I can say that with fact.

[Becky Rose]

OK OK It's ego time by naming the F1 drivers you've had a natter with day is it? I'm on 2, any raises?

[tristancliffe]

Is it? Okay, how about 4 then (all current at the time, none of the present ones).

Jeremy Clarkson's quite nice too (but apparently a bit evil 'backstage'). Should I keep going? It's got nothing to do with egos - I've been lucky that's all. It was merely (originally) to prove a point.

[mr grady]

all i was saying was, judge the guy by his racing talent.

and he has bucket loads of that.

[BigDave2967]

Is it? Okay, how about 4 then (all current at the time, none of the present ones).

Jeremy Clarkson's quite nice too (but apparently a bit evil 'backstage'). Should I keep going? It's got nothing to do with egos - I've been lucky that's all. It was merely (originally) to prove a point.

Care to enlighten us on the "evil backstage?" Just curious, because he was a right good laugh with James and Hamster on Top Gear :D.

[tristancliffe]

This is getting rather far from the topic, but Clarkson can be a bit of a premadonna. He'll get quite cross about the slightest things. But maybe that's the price of being as good on-screen as he always has been.

[mrfell]

This is getting rather far from the topic, but Clarkson can be a bit of a premadonna. He'll get quite cross about the slightest things. But maybe that's the price of being as good on-screen as he always has been.

Going even further O/T
I met Clarkson a during a shoot for Top Gear (Before Hamster and May). He was filming in a village near me.
We stopped and went over to the camera crew. When he finished his bit we had a quick chat about the up and coming Motor Show, in the 2 mins we had he seemed a decent enough chap, he was even up for a bit of banter!!!
However, over the years I expect he has become more demanding as he has become more famous and maybe less approachable.

[mr grady]

Have you met him? I mean really met him. Not shaken hands and said hi kind of meet, but sat down and had a chat over a pint (of water)? I didn't think so.

I don't think you can make a judgement about a persons real personality from a 30 second burst of PR. But I believe I can make a judgement from seeing him interviewed during highs and lows, during PR bits and more informal bits etc etc.

Martin Brundle is a nice guy. And yes, I have met him, over a pint or two, when we bought his Piper Lance Turbo II off him several years back (when he was a current F1 driver). I can say that with fact.

i met alonso when he was just starting to drive for minardi, when others were walking by him not knowing who he was. and yes, you can judge a person to a degree from a brief encounter, one being someone i was very fond of but totally destroyed my ideas of being a "hero"

but thats another story.

and thats my pennysworth on this matter

peace.

[noemfie]

Boring to watch drive.

Passing Schumacher on the outside through 130R was certainly dull hey :razz:.



Sorry I'm a Alonso fan , I hate Schumi (not for his driving , I think he is a great driver , but just because of the unsportsmanlike things he has done in the past) . I think this championship is going to be a nail biter :nod:. Let the best man win I say

[keiran]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HstVrlBOB3w

I don't think thats boring :p Great driving from him, certinally is up there with Senna's first lap at Donington imo.

[J.B.]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HstVrlBOB3w

I don't think thats boring :p Great driving from him, certinally is up there with Senna's first lap at Donington imo.

Very nice! Now I just have to find it in good quality so I can keep it on my HD.

[Becky Rose]

Add to that that visibility is actually worse for the drivers than the cameras show. You really can't see naff all when following a single seater in the wet, you get peripheral vision, but looking forwards is only useful if you want to clean your visor :)... !

[mr grady]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HstVrlBOB3w

I don't think thats boring :p Great driving from him, certinally is up there with Senna's first lap at Donington imo.


that really is amazing footage.
i agree with you keiran, but credit to all the drivers, they deseved their pay driving in conditions like that.

and i love your avatar thisnameistaken, but if schuey is dick dastardly, does that make jean todt mutley?!!??**!!??