Hurricane Katrina

[Fordman]

I would like to wish all our LFS Community Memebers a safe return from this devistating hurricane.

Regards and best wishes

Fordie

[XCNuse]

um.. do we have anyone even from louisiana? not sure.. (guess we wont really know either :p)

..to bad gas prices just blew up.. some people were "illegally" pricing gas at 6$ a gallon!

owell.. least the traffic sure did change today lol! made life sooo much easier

[DodgeRacer]

I hear all these people complainin about gas prices, welp, suck it up guys cause those people that got nailed by the hurricane got it a lot worse than us, we can make money, they cant make everything they lost reapear. (not meant as an attack on anyone, just a..realization of sorts) :)

[Fordman]

XCnuse, all you can worry about is gas prices, and ease of traffic? Jees man, these people, maybe LFS community has lost everything. Give these people some respect.

As LFS is a world Wide community, I just thought it would be nice for us to wish them well on there return at such a devastating time .

Fordie

[xapexcivicx]

I think that it's horribly pathetic what people are doing down there now. No I'm not talking about the suffering, I'm talking about the rapes, looting, robbing, and even gangs now. That really makes me wonder what the world has come to. I mean honestly..A city gets wiped out by a natural disaster, and all people can think about is causing more grief and suffering.

[Ant]

um.. do we have anyone even from louisiana? not sure.. (guess we wont really know either :p)

..to bad gas prices just blew up.. some people were "illegally" pricing gas at 6$ a gallon!

owell.. least the traffic sure did change today lol! made life sooo much easier


hmm, U.S dont know how cheap petrol is. By my calculations,

British price for petrol £0.90 per litre,
That is £3.411 per us gallon
Convert that into dollars,
3.411 GBP United Kingdom Pounds = 6.24735 USD United States Dollars or
3.411 GBP United Kingdom Pounds = 5.00660 EUR Euro


Well, I will have some of this $6 a gallon gas if its going, might save a bit of cash ;)

[Krane]

hmm, U.S dont know how cheap petrol is. By my calculations,

British price for petrol £0.90 per litre,
That is £3.411 per us gallon
Convert that into dollars,
3.411 GBP United Kingdom Pounds = 6.24735 USD United States Dollars or
3.411 GBP United Kingdom Pounds = 5.00660 EUR Euro


Well, I will have some of this $6 a gallon gas if its going, might save a bit of cash ;)That's pretty much the same we pay for gas in Finland, and was it yesterday when they said in the news that price could soon go up 0.15e/litre (that would be USD 6.89 /US gallon)

FYI, I used average prices, NOT the highest found here http://www.polttoaine.net/

[XCNuse]

im not being an ass to them.. lol i had to get some of it too; tornadoes came all through georgia taking out tons of homes.. some people are in same boat as them

i mean.. i know what everyone went through.. i mean i havent lost my home.. but i still know what its like; just saying

plus i highly doubt you know whats going on down there like apex said; there has been TONS and TONS and TONS of stealing.. raping.. tons of bad stuff .. its crazy; PLUS.. majority of the people were dumb enough to throw parties! i mean.. comon! how stupid can you be!.. if you live in a place that is lower then sea level.. why on earth are you going to throw a party when theres a hurricane comming straight towards you when its a level 5?!

for some yes.. it is a sad sight; but for others.. its a discrace

[xapexcivicx]

Watching the news now. A reported had to sleep on top of a police station for the night while being surrounded with police snipers preparing to defend the station. How sad.

[Rotary]

im not being an ass to them.. lol i had to get some of it too; tornadoes came all through georgia taking out tons of homes.. some people are in same boat as them

i mean.. i know what everyone went through.. i mean i havent lost my home.. but i still know what its like; just saying

plus i highly doubt you know whats going on down there like apex said; there has been TONS and TONS and TONS of stealing.. raping.. tons of bad stuff .. its crazy; PLUS.. majority of the people were dumb enough to throw parties! i mean.. comon! how stupid can you be!.. if you live in a place that is lower then sea level.. why on earth are you going to throw a party when theres a hurricane comming straight towards you when its a level 5?!

for some yes.. it is a sad sight; but for others.. its a discrace

Sometimes I struggle to understand what your talking about... :)

I think its very sad to hear rescue efforts put on hold in some areas to stop looting. How long till the first email scams start popping up for this? Didn't take long after the tsunami last year.

[xapexcivicx]

On the good side, Houston residents are being very very friendly to the people who stayed in the stadium. That's good to hear.

[Gunn]

Since Fordman's intent seems to be soley focused on goodwill towards those who are suffering, perhaps we can limit this conversation to kind words and thoughts rather than discuss the political and economic factors of the situation? After all, it would be nice to see some kind words and thoughts rise to the top of all the hate and greed we see on our TV's every day.

[the_angry_angel]

I hope everyone's ok, and if theres anything we can do, give us a shout - I'm sure between us, we could arrange at least something :)

[XCNuse]

After all, it would be nice to see some kind words and thoughts rise to the top of all the hate and greed we see on our TV's every day.
one little quick thing about this; one of the reporters here did suffer, a number of his family members died in the tradegy, and amazingly.. he was crying; although he was criticised severely.. i believe its the first time people could "see" the real person in him

anyways; on a good note, the financing for this is supposed to shoot up about 10 and a half BILLION! today.. quite amazing; many singers have given a million $ each which.. is extremely nice (some im quite surprised at lol)

overall.. its actually a really sad story, mainly because the people that need help.. cant get it because of where they are; and the people that dont really.. are just fighting for some odd reason, but yes.. all hopes that it turns out well

[Vendetta]

Today on the news there were trucks bringing food into the city. 12,000 more National Guards men are being installed in New Orleans :)

[Gabkicks]

there is not much violence going on down there... the media is just trying to make it sound like complete anarchy. There is a lot of suffering though :'(

only a few people went crazy and the media tries to make it seem like its everyone. Bastards always gotta spin everything.

[banshee56]

um.. do we have anyone even from louisiana? not sure..

Just a thought...and I don't want to speculate, but in the registration information in the North American League, CWMAX says that he is from the "Big Easy". I sincerely hope that is purely coincidence and that he is not from Louisiana. If he is, my thoughts and prayers go out to him and his family for their safety.

[XCNuse]

hm. well.. best of wishes to him! hope hes okay

havent heard much news about it today though.. not sure whats up; dont know if the snipers are still ontop of the hospital or not.. hm

[snewham]

I'm sorry to say this but some of the comments posted here are totally wrong and I am going to try an put the right.

The people of Louisiana and surrounding areas were without food and water for 2 days because their government and country abandened them. They did not have any aid and it was looking likely that none was coming.

These were normal people like you or I who have families, jobs and nice cars and can normally afford their own food. But what would you do if you had no money, food, water, shelter or support from your Goverment?

You surely wouldn't wait around on the edge of the street dying when there is plenty enough food inside a closed supermarket.

I know what I would do anyway..

and then there's the American Goverment who have given shoot to kill orders to their troops to kill these everyday citizens for trying to survive.

[Dethred]

The problem is, most of the looting is not stealing electronics, shoes, clothes, etc. People pushing shopping carts full of junk they don't need to survive. I say shoot them. You can't eat a TV.

But yeah the Shrub addressing the nation sounds like a reassurance that we'll get our gad prices back down, not whether or not we'll save the people in New Orleans. This country truly does suck these days. I thought this hurricane disaster would be a wakeup call to Americans, but we're pretty much just watching it unfold as if it happened in another country.

[Racer Y]

Hi. I live in Houston, one of the cities that they transferred the survivors to.

I hate calling them Refugees.... they ain't foriegners escaping a war. They are our own people. Anyways, when you see all those buses and cars full of people with Louisianna license plates, you kinda get a little idea of how bad it actually is over there. The church around the corner from me has taken in some 25 or 30 people. There are single people giving the displaced their own
homes to stay in while they move in with friends or family.
Tempers are flaring over the evacuation problems and of course, polititians
are starting to use this to their advantage. That city was in a bowl in the
middle of a swamp with only one real route (IH-10) to get in and out of it.
It has to be a logistical nightmare to get all those people out of there and
an even bigger nightmare to figure out how to rebuild the place.

My kid's schools that they go to are full of kids from New Orleans trying to
register. and I imagine that they're gonna be here for a long time.

@ CWMAX.... I Hope your doing OK if you can read this :)

[Krane]

http://www.livejournal.com/users/interdictor/

Wow, I knew from local news that there were problems with looting in New Orleans, but reading that blog makes it seem like a friggin' warzone :really:

[XCNuse]

it is krane; some parts are being run by terrorists.. hence the shots at the coast gaurd helicopters

i mean the bad stuff may be a stereotype... but it sure is happening.. and its also making everything a LOT harder

[xapexcivicx]

The evacuation is finally underway. ALOT of people have been evacuated, but there is still many many more to go. =/


But have some respect for Americans. Almost every single one of the rescuers (spelling) have said how much they love their job, and they would do it even if they weren't getting paid. It's simply citizens wanting to help other citizens in need. And the fact that they are being shot at while trying to give people another chance at life is in my humblest opinion F888ing pathetic.

[cwmax]

Just a thought...and I don't want to speculate, but in the registration information in the North American League, CWMAX says that he is from the "Big Easy". I sincerely hope that is purely coincidence and that he is not from Louisiana. If he is, my thoughts and prayers go out to him and his family for their safety.

Yes I am from New Orleans, just west of in Kenner. I left before the storm, you don't stand in front of a Cat5 Hurricane. I am now in Panama City Beach Fl at a Red Cross shelter. So far everyone here has been super nice and very giving. I have no idea when I might return to racing, no idea when I will be able to return to my place. Till then, I have temporary shelter and food. Unfortunate for those that could not leave the area, was hard to watch on TV.

Thanks all for your concern
CWMAX

[XCNuse]

:D glad to hear from you CW!
glad your being taken care of to.. im sure that place is a mess everywhere.. still :S

[Racer Y]

HI. CW... do you need a place to stay? My house is little, but I have a ffwheel :)

[Vendetta]

Glad to hear your ok CW! :)

[Fordman]

Glad to hear you are OK cwmax. Best wishes to you on a speedy return.

Fordie

[XCNuse]

here are some stats that i have just heard over the radio

80% of the people that wanted to get out
20% of the people are looting and whatnot
and within that 20%, 3-4% people have been killing others

and im not sure what the current results are, but this morning, it was around 80% evacuated. They have a policeman that is at the radio station talking about what all is going on, much of which.. some of these stories are quite sad.. he was saying how he had an elderly man come up to him and ask if there was any way to get to his house and so he said no and that it was most likely under around 20 ft. of water, and the old man continued on saying how all he had left of his family and wife were in that house (his wife he said died last year)

and some other unnoficial news stating that the LA government didnt want the US government in LA for some reason which is unknown.. and finally the government just gave up and went in anyways so..

its quite sad, best of luck with all families and all of those whom have been hurt by this dreaded natural disaster

[MyBoss]

hmm, U.S dont know how cheap petrol is. By my calculations,

British price for petrol £0.90 per litre,
That is £3.411 per us gallon
Convert that into dollars,
3.411 GBP United Kingdom Pounds = 6.24735 USD United States Dollars or
3.411 GBP United Kingdom Pounds = 5.00660 EUR Euro


Well, I will have some of this $6 a gallon gas if its going, might save a bit of cash ;)

hmm, Brittain dont know how cheap petrol is. By my calculations, :-P

Norwegian price for petrol, 12kr per litre, atleast £1, most likely even more. Hvaven't filled my tank in a while, and I know the price have gone up alot.


Anyway, I feel really sorry for those in louisiana, thank god they have gotten so good help from the goverment. Sending soldiers instead of rescuers. Everything is a war for them ...

[CHR20000]

if u take all the stuff n money off the people, they all fall back in behavior like 50BC...we vote n things 4 the ones who should do better n help, if the "pooR"(dont like this word) cant help themselves, but they dont! they fly around in helicopters 2 not get their fett wet... (never saw the "us master" helping with his hands, only with his voice...blablabla...


nevermind,;I hope, the victims of katrina get the help they deserve

[MyBoss]

I just read some Norwegian news.

All the emplyeees thats emplyed at Aker Kverner (thats the norwegian name) in Houston will be offered some days off, with pay so they can help the refugee's (is that the right word?) if they want.

[(FIN)Eza]

It's sad to read and watch news and only see how ppl trys to make money and stuff in situation like this, I mean about those gas-stations which had supa-high prizes and ppl stealing stuff what they really don't need after all, TVs and stuff like that.. :(

If I could've had gas-station there, I would've just give all gas what I have for free to get these ppls out of city fast as possible and not even think something like money when there is loads of ppls who just lost about _everything_ what they had, homes, jobs, maybe family members even, friends? everything.. :ashamed:

I wish all the best wishes for those ppls who have to suffer because of hurricane and really good to hear CWMAX that you're ok :thumb:




Eza

[Myst]

This link shows one persons camera footage from beginning - some excellent shots and his comments. Well worth a look.

http://www.kodakgallery.com/Slideshow.jsp?mode=fromshare&Uc=14ewb3ap.b147fdut&Uy=nyvoby&Ux=1 (http://www.kodakgallery.com/Slideshow.jsp?mode=fromshare&Uc=14ewb3ap.b147fdut&Uy=nyvoby&Ux=1)

[Theafro]

my impression of the current situation over there, is quite a sad one, i'm saddened by the sight of THOUSANDS of soldiers (all armed) piling in to new orleans, and THOUSANDS of ordinary people, lost, hungry, and feeling ignored by their own government, all WALKING out of new orleans. WTF went through bush's mind when he heard that the levy had broke, i wonder what he was thinking when the local govenment asked for funding for better protection from flooding? it kinda sums up a lot of the things that get my goat about the 'states(i'm not anti american, i'm anti idiot)

[XCNuse]

theafro.. he knew what was going on.. Bush was DENIED any action by the states government.. who knows what? might never know.. but it was confirmed that LA government denied outside help

[Racer Y]

my impression of the current situation over there, is quite a sad one, i'm saddened by the sight of THOUSANDS of soldiers (all armed) piling in to new orleans, and THOUSANDS of ordinary people, lost, hungry, and feeling ignored by their own government, all WALKING out of new orleans. WTF went through bush's mind when he heard that the levy had broke, i wonder what he was thinking when the local govenment asked for funding for better protection from flooding? it kinda sums up a lot of the things that get my goat about the 'states(i'm not anti american, i'm anti idiot)

Uhhh Alot of ppl are going to use this to try and put Bush in a bad light.
In all honesty, the way New Orleans Lays out, it's location and how to get to it are the main factors as to why relief efforts were so slow. It wouldn't
matter if Bush was president or Blair, or Putin... it just doesn't matter.
Also New Orleans Has a history of Corrupt, incomepetent local government.
When you have THAT many people willing to shoot at Police, that should tell you something about how the city gov't worked (failed).

As fas as FEMA is concerned... that's a shining example of the dangers of Bureacracy. They've have a "rubberstamp" approach to handling disasters.
They were trying to handle the situation like a Florida Hurricane. They
would have shone like stars if the hurricane had hit Florida like that instead of Louisianna. Factor in that with indecisiveness and turf disputes with Home Security and you're not going to have a decent relief effort.

And there really shouldn't be as much Blame cast on FEMA either. They were trying to stick with what worked before and were just totally unprepared for the challenges New Orleans would bring.

If you just HAVE to blame somebody, Blame the guys that was warned of
New Orleans Levee problems 20 or so years ago and did nothing about
it then.


@ CW Max: Dude if you're reading this, My offer still stands :)

[th84]

theafro



if u had a small idea what u were talking about it would make urself look less like a idiot then a anti idiot. lousiana had been allocated millions and millions of my(and fellow americans) tax money for many years. the LOCAL government chose to use those funds on other things ie casinos, sports venues etc etc. bush deserves some of the blame for the awful aftermath of the event, but to say its the american governments fault is simply ridiculous. the local government, mainly the governor of louisana is where the blame belongs. however, i feel if gw wasnt so worried about his oil war, it woulda been much easier for him to act faster. its a shame so many people have made snap judgements about a situation that they have no idea about. those people knew this hurricane was coming as did the rest of the gulf coast, problem is, some choose to ignore the warnings, some didnt. so whos really to blame?

[XCNuse]

problem is.. not all people had the means/capability of leaving so that was another serious problem

anyways, as you said th84; LA's primary means of treasury is through the casinos; hence the fact that there are casinos

anyways; check out that link Myst showed.. its quite frightening (but not nearly as bad as i thought it would be [havent seen much on tv.. been in school so .. ya lol]) but the one thing that brings a huge amounts of attention to me.. is the marble statue of mary.. that huge tree.. missed mary.. to me that means alot

owell.. atleast the mess is starting to clear up now

[th84]

by no means did i mean that the people of new orleans were to blame. But, as much as i hate to say, george bush isnt the one to place the blame on. he declared lousiana and mississippi under states of emergency, which gives full authority to local government to do whatever it needed to do. the leadership of lousiana and new orleans greatly underestimated this strom, or didnt care enough about the people of new orleans to leave the country club and start making moves.i wish people would stop looking for reasons to bash our government(although sometimes very much deserved) and country as a whole! the best thing people could give, instead of negative comments about who coulda done what, is thoughts and prayers for the people of the gulf coast. new orleans and beluxi are beautiful citys with great people. i hope one day soon they will rebuild and be better than ever.

[Fordman]

You said people know it was coming? But didn't they think it was only a Cat3 Hurricane coming and the Levee could with stand that Cat Hurricane.

I am from UK, but have Sis in Florida. but she said, the same as, hhmm, somebody in this thread. You don't stand in the way of a Hurricane.

Heard a sad story yesterday. 30+ bed ridden people died, because there carer left to save his Fiance, and now he is up for possible man Slaughter charges? That is wrong. My wife is a carer and she is told,
DO NOT PUT YOUR SELF AT RISK.

its a real shame that it takes something of the catagory to make people stand up and think, Oh Shitte, should of done something about that.

[XCNuse]

i hate to do this fordman but;

if you were 90 years old.. how would you leave? if your wife had died a year earlier, and that house is all you had left to remember her.. would you leave? and if you tried to leave do you think you would make it? most likely not

not only were streets blocked from all the traffic, alot of people had no way \ no reason to leave.. may sound dumb, but if you have no car it would be a bit hard to get out of there

im sure there were good reasons why most people stayed (for the most part that is)