FM Oval V8 Xsiv

[The Very End]

Well I must say. I`m truelly disapointed. If you have ever seen a guy that freaks out and go mental (insane) and start baning all, this must be this admin. First kick I got - was too slow to go to pit. Why? lag, if lag it can`t pit.

Second kick, I voted restart, that was enough.

Ban - I got upset and said why kicking me for everything, all he sais is GOT IT? YES?! CAN YOU READ!? and I replied after he said "staning on track will get you baned (or something),", I replied taning on track will get you baned and everything else too.

Okok, I understand, my fault. But seriously, I writed w8, to try to explain. BUt he didn`t even wanted to listen on me. I understand that I maybe should get baned from last thing, but he even just ignored what I said, and kicked me several times because I asked why kicking me, why?!
He was so nasty, I never gonna go there again, and I would advice you to the same. The admin only baned, but never restarted race even if 19 car crashed.

So, over and out, goodbye to FM oval V8 Xsiv server for me. And even if I wanted to explain I can`t since I`m baned for good time now I think.

I try my best, well. Will only say, no hard feelings here, just a little upset. I will see if I can get this transelated to read able language.

[MyBoss]

I think its a bit hard to understand what you are saying. If you write it down in Norwegian (I know you are a viking :-P) then I think I can try to translate it ;-)

[the_angry_angel]

Just sounds like any over enthusiastic admin. I'll admit, I dont know the circumstances etc, but if she/he tried to administrate anything like that in the corporate world, she/he wouldnt last.

[FM-Failure]

Hello.
Let me introduce myself, I am that "overenthusiastic" admin.
We dont have many rules on our server but obviously those few rules are too much for you. One of them rules says "standing on the track gets you banned".
We have many players on the server almost 24/7. I cant argue with everyone who doesnt understand that simple rule. I must admit that sometimes people cant pit because a player is connecting or something else is going on. Since you didnt mention that (or at least i havent seen you mention it) i assumed you were just standing there. I just kicked you even though the rule says "ban".
Minutes later you were standing on the track calling a vote for restart. Standing on the track ruining other peoples race is stupid enough but standing on the track calling votes for restarts deserves a 24h ban - how many 1000 times do i have to push my bind telling people to not stand on the track? A 1000 times is not enough? Is it so hard to press shift+s after crash/spin off/damaged car? I really cant imagine that.
Instead of clearing the track, wich would have solved all problems, you started argueing with me. Obviously you didnt want to understand that the only thing i wanted you to do is to clear the track!
We want people to enjoy their races but unfortunately some people just dont care about others. Rules are not there to piss people off - rules are made to ensure everybody gets the most fun out of it.
Shift+s my friend and you would never have got into trouble.
I hope this cleared things up.
Happy Racing!

[the_angry_angel]

Nothing personal FM-Failure, but I've seen a fair few LFS server admins be a bit zealot-y :) Hopefully I'll be racing you at some stage in the future.

I think what is of most importance, is that theres no obvious way to force users to "read" the rules. As has been suggested in various places, a welcome screen would be the key.

[The Very End]

Hello.
Let me introduce myself, I am that "overenthusiastic" admin.
We dont have many rules on our server but obviously those few rules are too much for you. One of them rules says "standing on the track gets you banned".
We have many players on the server almost 24/7. I cant argue with everyone who doesnt understand that simple rule. I must admit that sometimes people cant pit because a player is connecting or something else is going on. Since you didnt mention that (or at least i havent seen you mention it) i assumed you were just standing there. I just kicked you even though the rule says "ban".
Minutes later you were standing on the track calling a vote for restart. Standing on the track ruining other peoples race is stupid enough but standing on the track calling votes for restarts deserves a 24h ban - how many 1000 times do i have to push my bind telling people to not stand on the track? A 1000 times is not enough? Is it so hard to press shift+s after crash/spin off/damaged car? I really cant imagine that.
Instead of clearing the track, wich would have solved all problems, you started argueing with me. Obviously you didnt want to understand that the only thing i wanted you to do is to clear the track!
We want people to enjoy their races but unfortunately some people just dont care about others. Rules are not there to piss people off - rules are made to ensure everybody gets the most fun out of it.
Shift+s my friend and you would never have got into trouble.
I hope this cleared things up.
Happy Racing!

Sure, I understand your pount iv veiw. I was standing on track, but look. First time I was standing on the grass, no one could possible hit me, I was typing to try to clear out things, this I should done in pits sorry. But last time I was stadning in pit zone and same happens.
I don`t want to ruin other ppl race, and I can with my hand on heart say that I didn`t standed on track and maked a crash. BUt if I did that of lag or something I`m real sorry. Lets hope this only was a terrible missunderstanding.
Peace, for great and fair racing, pit and chat next time, and a more realxed mood would be nice, so we both has something to improve. :)

[FM-Failure]

Agreed. I must admit that i experience a lack of patience after being taken out 20 times by cars standing on the track.
The entry screen is a splendid idea and i hope it will be added very soon.

[Screeny]

so this means, when you crashed in a race, you have to pit immediately?

[XCNuse]

seems a tad unreal.. wouldnt you say? :really:

[al heeley]

Talking of unreal, I've got a trip to China and Japan next week, next Sat & Sun I'll be staying in Kyoto, which is a really beautiful old historic city. I'm giong to try to find the racetrack there, check it out..

What do you mean, just a game?
:D
The thing is, when you're playing a PC game as a leisure activity, it is sometimes good to sacrifice realism for improvement in gameplay.

[_rod_]

so this means, when you crashed in a race, you have to pit immediately?


no doesnt mean that, if crashed ur car, and u still not in control of the car, and there is people coming, yes should pit... its sux i know but, why ruin other people race just because u just lost urs? but for all the others situations, just try not to stay in the racing line, unless there were no serious damage to ur car

[RAYfighter]

Show us the replay! :trampolin

Seriously, "The Very End" may have problems with english, but doesn't seem to be a bad guy or even an ignorant. Admin of the server talks about people who don't care about others, yet still kicks a player also because his own "lack of patience after being taken out 20 times by cars standing on the track".

In case The Very End is talking the truth (about standing on grass or in a pit lane, not on the track), the FM oval V8 Xsiv server will probably don't have "many players almost 24/7" online too long.

Well, after all, it's the oval right? There are loads of ovals to die from boredom, if that's what you like on LFS, The Very End. :smileypul

[ajp71]

The FM server is way over policed, the admins frequently post multicoloured messages saying "standing on the track gets you banned" etc. but not just one message 6 at a time, and these are the race messages you can't block, this flooding the screen is obsurd (I like to race with virtually no info), there is no need to spam your own server, yes standing cars are an issue, but can you not just type /pitlane?

[The Very End]

Show us the replay! :trampolin

Seriously, "The Very End" may have problems with english, but doesn't seem to be a bad guy or even an ignorant. Admin of the server talks about people who don't care about others, yet still kicks a player also because his own "lack of patience after being taken out 20 times by cars standing on the track".

In case The Very End is talking the truth (about standing on grass or in a pit lane, not on the track), the FM oval V8 Xsiv server will probably don't have "many players almost 24/7" online too long.

Well, after all, it's the oval right? There are loads of ovals to die from boredom, if that's what you like on LFS, The Very End. :smileypul

Hehe, I race oval because I suck at all other racing rofl.
At least I think I got ok time, I got 25.24 here one day, and the fun was that it was on this server, so it`S kind of both side feelings, like mixed hehe.
Keep up the good work admins, just remember. Tho many look likes they just are totaly screwed up people that tries to destroy for others, the reality may be a else. So, don`t judge people by first look :smileypul

[wildz0r]

The FM server is way over policed, the admins frequently post multicoloured messages saying "standing on the track gets you banned" etc. but not just one message 6 at a time, and these are the race messages you can't block, this flooding the screen is obsurd (I like to race with virtually no info), there is no need to spam your own server, yes standing cars are an issue, but can you not just type /pitlane?

Couldn't agree more. I found myself having to block messages on this server a few days ago, because as well as forcing the message to flash in the middle of everyone's screen at the start of the race, the admins would flood the server (possibly causing an unnecessary accident at the same time).

Sure, kick someone if they're genuinely sitting on the racing line, but don't distract everyone by spamming the server, and don't enforce silly rules for the sake of enforcing them.

[Lightsaver]

i sadly made the same experience on this server. its my first day playing licenced S2.

i dont remember me standing on track. im allways trying to drive carefully.
after someone touched me at start i spinned and caused an accident and got banned after this.

sorry but im not trained to hit shift+s in less then 0.1 sec.

anyway i hope i can get a second chance.

[skiingman]

i sadly made the same experience on this server. its my first day playing licenced S2.

i dont remember me standing on track. im allways trying to drive carefully.
after someone touched me at start i spinned and caused an accident and got banned after this.

sorry but im not trained to hit shift+s in less then 0.1 sec.

anyway i hope i can get a second chance.

Its cool. You'll get bored of the silly oval races and join some real servers soon enough. People tend to be a lot less silly on the servers that involve right turns in my humble experience.

I don't go to the FV8 oval servers often anymore because they are quite often full of sillyness of all sorts.

Banning people for a spin at the start is absurd and ridiculous. If the person behind you can't avoid you, its their own damn fault.

[Vendetta]

I personally stay away from oval servers..too many crashes.

[Hitman_MT]

Because the most people can not oval racing in a pulk of cars. At the oval races you need 100% conzentration and you need to KNOW where are the other cars and whats the line they drive when they pass you. To look around is importend too. I like oval racing. Yesterday i winn a race with only 0:00.01 sec before my team mate. Thats adrenalin pure. But many people need to learn how to race in oval with other people. I see them swich from left to right and back without checking if a car is beside or short behind and then its chrashing.

[SoloNijN]

Ok, I really like playing on this server...

Its really cool to play with like 20 people, but there need to be rules, its _very_ annoying not te be able to start off properly, because some jackass overthrottles (or something)(or not being able to drive through the first round)
(yea, I too make mistakes sometime, but it takes no more than 1 second for me to press shift+s and pit immidiately.

I know everyone makes mistakes sometime but its really annoying if you crash someone, and you have to wait vor 10 minutes before the race starts again.

[ajp71]

Oval racing can be fun occasionally but I have no idea why this server is the most popular with such noobish admins.

[EvenSiS]

Well i am an admin of the FM v8 server and hold the 3rd fastest hotlap time on oval (in relation to the actual time), so i am no "noob", i remember you ajp71 and i remember you being one of the slower drivers on the server, so calling us noobs is a bit hypocritical do you not think?

It angers me to find people bitching and moaning about what we can do and can't do with the server, do you pay for it? no. albeit the case with the very end is misfortunate, and i'm sure it can be rectified. I remember him from a while ago and he is a fair decent racer, however most of the time these bans are also calls from 10 other people on ventrilo (who the majority arn't FM members), we hold ventrilo to try and bring the community of oval racers together.

I find it incredulous that people cannot understand a simple rule to shift-s off a track and avoid taking out half the pack (This happens so regulary its going out of fashion), so the banning of these poor drivers keeps these crashes from happening in future. Rules are there to be obeyed, could you imagine a F1 championship without rules, or even any car championship? It just doesn't happen. Lucky thing for those drivers is that everyone follows the set out guidelines.

All i can say is if you don't like it keep out, but i believe we hold a fair server and this is clarified by the amount of people that are always on the server, most weekends we find the server filled to the brim with 23/23. This has been happening for over 2 months and it shows no sign of giving up. We also hold oval and other track events which happens to be quite popular.

Sorry about the moan but i wanted to get this opinion out.

[marsden1002]

Oval racing can be fun occasionally but I have no idea why this server is the most popular with such noobish admins.

Why is an Admin "Noobish" becuase they have placed a set of rules, and because people do not follow they get kicked or banned?

This is not noobish, and i have raced on this server over a period of 1 month, and not been kicked - simply because i have not broke the simple rules.

[Lightsaver]

hm im still have no clue why i got banned without warning.

as i said i didnt blocked the track nor caused an accident myself.

[The Very End]

I know, as my post started it seems like there is admins on that server that are very strict and maybe not correct on their judgements.
No offence mean here, but I have seen people gets kicks etc etc after a normal accident. As admin you should know what is accidents and what is a crasher..

[SoloNijN]

Its just friggin annoying when you crash _every_ time at the start of the race, with just enough damage to not being able to drive properly

[BlackSpider]

I am admin number 3 for FM, after the founders... Those who race on XSIV will know me...

Couldn't agree more. I found myself having to block messages on this server a few days ago, because as well as forcing the message to flash in the middle of everyone's screen at the start of the race, the admins would flood the server (possibly causing an unnecessary accident at the same time).

Sure, kick someone if they're genuinely sitting on the racing line, but don't distract everyone by spamming the server, and don't enforce silly rules for the sake of enforcing them.

Generally, safety messages/rules are posted at the end of a race (For the start of the next), or periodically during a race, when a violation of rules occours. (Somone crashes, spins in the track, the 'Shift+S or ban' message pops up).

There are 7 rule messages in use on the XSIV server. I'm more than willing to share them with you here, i fyou like.

Why do we show these? To remind people of them. People need reminding, because people forget.. Too quickly. Blue flaggers racing with leaders, sitting on the track because you are too busy saying 'you idiot' in chat... These are unexcusable, and people are removed for it.

Generally speaking, I warn once, force to spectate, then if further offences are made, I kick. Any more, and it's a 24hr ban. If you do it just to give us 'the finger', you get a week ban.

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Furthermore, if you are unable or unwilling to obey rules, you should go elsewhere. And if you don't like being reminded of the rules, go elsewhere. And I, for one, am fed up of people saying "These people aren't fair". You do not pay for the use of our server, so bear in mind it is a privilidge, not a 'right'. You have no 'right' to play, we simply allow you to.

We have a regular contigent of drivers on the XSIV server who are fully capable of obeying rules, and enjoy the racing. We run private servers for these drivers, in a pleasent environment, with no mass-rule posting, and no multi-restarts due to incapable launchers. XSIV server is like it is because of the ones who are unable to drive properly. Blame them, not us.

There are many teams who use our server and throughally enjoy the experience. If you don't like it, find another server, and don't waste our time with your complaining about 'abuse of admin'.


- Spider.

[Lightsaver]

I am admin number 3 for FM, after the founders... Those who race on XSIV will know me...



Generally, safety messages/rules are posted at the end of a race (For the start of the next), or periodically during a race, when a violation of rules occours. (Somone crashes, spins in the track, the 'Shift+S or ban' message pops up).

There are 7 rule messages in use on the XSIV server. I'm more than willing to share them with you here, i fyou like.

Why do we show these? To remind people of them. People need reminding, because people forget.. Too quickly. Blue flaggers racing with leaders, sitting on the track because you are too busy saying 'you idiot' in chat... These are unexcusable, and people are removed for it.

Generally speaking, I warn once, force to spectate, then if further offences are made, I kick. Any more, and it's a 24hr ban. If you do it just to give us 'the finger', you get a week ban.

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Furthermore, if you are unable or unwilling to obey rules, you should go elsewhere. And if you don't like being reminded of the rules, go elsewhere. And I, for one, am fed up of people saying "These people aren't fair". You do not pay for the use of our server, so bear in mind it is a privilidge, not a 'right'. You have no 'right' to play, we simply allow you to.

We have a regular contigent of drivers on the XSIV server who are fully capable of obeying rules, and enjoy the racing. We run private servers for these drivers, in a pleasent environment, with no mass-rule posting, and no multi-restarts due to incapable launchers. XSIV server is like it is because of the ones who are unable to drive properly. Blame them, not us.

There are many teams who use our server and throughally enjoy the experience. If you don't like it, find another server, and don't waste our time with your complaining about 'abuse of admin'.


- Spider.

i can sign all of ur points. but in my case i DID NOT caused a crash nor i was standing on track. no warning or any hint what i did wrong.

dunno what ban i got but its no 1day ban

[96 GTS]

The rules seem fair to me, and they should be able to run their server how they wish. The situations with accidental bans are unfortunate, but I'm sure they can be rectified. I do find it nice to be able to race there, with admins, as opposed to other servers with no admins there.

[BlackSpider]

i can sign all of ur points. but in my case i DID NOT caused a crash nor i was standing on track. no warning or any hint what i did wrong.

dunno what ban i got but its no 1day ban

I have no idea what occoured in your situation, but if you wish to truly dispute the ban, you need to do it on our website, not the LFS Forums. We welcome well put-forth disputes against bans, and I, for one, have lifted bans following a dispute. Just don't use 'Dragons' dispute as an example of how to make these complaints.

As a final note, there is no reason whatsoever for FM admins to explain themselves on this forum, or any other forum. We will run the server how we see fit, and if we kill it, that's our problem - not yours, and not this forum's problem.

- Spider.

[th84]

funny stuff here!!!!!! lmfao! i do agree that u have a right to run ur server the way u choose. im just glad all servers arent ran like this one. this game would be pretty boring with no one to race with!! im sure ill get called some names and told im a s*** driver like the rest of the people that say anything about this server, but thats ok, i dont have to worry about getting banned!!!!!!! some things that i think would help... 1. get rid of the barriers for pit road, they just make for a more laggy server, they are great for events, but not really needed for 8 lap races!! the mid-race join feature would stop any problems with people entering the track!!. 2. stop all the spamming, i can see why there are so many wrecks!! 3. someone give the [fm] guys some mary jane, i think it will lighten them up a little!! 4. try something other than the oval!!! thats just my opionion! let the name calling begin!!!!!

[ajp71]

It angers me to find people bitching and moaning


Well that's what angers me about one of your admins, who hasn't posted here. I do not see the need in having one message being repeated 6 times. I have nothing against any of the other admins and would be quite prepared to race on this server if it wasn't for my screen being flooded by an over-enthusiastic admin to say the least.

[BlackSpider]

As I said to DragonFire on the FM forums.. You don't like it, go elsewhere. We don't force you to use our server. If it's *that* bad, why are you all on it anyway? If you don't agree/like our rules, and the way we operate *OUR* server, which *WE* run, then don't use it. Simple, really.

[th84]

i think the thread in ur forum tells it all!!

[BlackSpider]

I will reply a final time, for one simple purpose...

1) When I post a message on this forum, I will do my very best to write in a polite manner and not use foul language and / or insult an individual or group of people.

Followed by:

5) I realise that if I ignore this agreement, I risk being denied access to this forum.


In the LFSForum rules.

Seems ignorance and inability to follow rules is a common trait.

[th84]

if i insulted u, im sorry, i didnt intend to do that. ive re-read my posts and dont see where i did, but if i offended u , for that im sorry.


Seems ignorance and inability to follow rules is a common trait.


not sure i get that one!! it dont really seem respectful!

[ajp71]

My posts were not ment as an insult and if they have been taken that way then I appologise, I was simply describing the actions as being noobish, not trying to imply that anyone was a noob. Having been on this server tonight it seems the issues are no longer present.

[rAcEr2418]

O come on guys!! No one is forcing you to run the FM server. Its a few rules to follow, im sure you can do that. Its simple really, wreck-pit, if your mad, pit, then start the name calling. But dont get mad you got banned when you wreck, and try to get you car going again in the middle of the track. As for the rule displaying, people just dont seem to get them the 1st, 2nd 3rd or 4th times, they'll just keep posting them until you get it. 1 Important one though, BLUE FLAG means MOVE OVER FOR THE LEADERS, unless otherwise told so (another team member capable of giving a push with clean racing and the ability to give the leaders priority at any given time)! I was watching a race and saw the top three get taken out 1 by 1 in the final 3 laps in 3 different occasions by noobs coming into the track 7 laps down without the slightest effort to slow down. Frankly, if you were in our situation and was getting wrecked by blind racers, you'd be fed up too. So stop complaining unless it is trully legitimate, and there are many of those instances, and once again, if you dont like their rules then noone if forcing you. I have been racing there for a long time - never got banned or kicked, when i wreck i pit, and i mostly get wrecked by people who don't listen to the rules. That's all i have to say, and i know I'm going to get yelled at for it, but, whatever.

[Bladerunner]

From what I see here, people seem to be at odds with the different rules and mindsets on different servers, this is obviously because servers are run/hosted/admin'ed by either individuals or in some cases a team will take joint responsibility.
In any case, different servers will have different rules. Since the latest patch, there is now the possibility to show a message on the loading screen when joining a server; I would suggest that:

a) More admins use this function to lay out the ground-rules for their servers..
and
b) People take the trouble to read them, and abide by the wishes of the hosts!

I will admit that you dont get a lot of time to read these messages, but maybe in future patches a configurable delay could be implemented (I know, that could go into the suggestions thread!)
I myself have had occasion to ban people from my own server, in the 'welcome message' it quite clearly states that the server exists for the benefit of our JUNIOR users, and that swearing and bad behaviour will not be tolerated (which I dont feel to be harsh!) well, on one occasion I warned a 'visitor' to respect our rules and to moderate his language...to which I was told to 'F*** Off!'...is it any surprise that he got hit with an indefinate ban?
Rules are always a PITA to somebody, but I have yet to come across any rule, anywhere, that is not in place for a reason, albeit if it does seem to be a silly rule!
Simple conclusion...RESPECT THE RULES!

[richo]

I have no idea what occoured in your situation, but if you wish to truly dispute the ban, you need to do it on our website, not the LFS Forums. We welcome well put-forth disputes against bans, and I, for one, have lifted bans following a dispute. Just don't use 'Dragons' dispute as an example of how to make these complaints.

As a final note, there is no reason whatsoever for FM admins to explain themselves on this forum, or any other forum. We will run the server how we see fit, and if we kill it, that's our problem - not yours, and not this forum's problem.

- Spider.

Its your bat and ball and you can take it home anytime you wish...

Spider you invite the general public onto "your" server when you make it a public server, dont cry foul when the people you have just invited dont play the way you like them to, if it bothers you so much make the damn server private...

[the_angry_angel]

"Flogging a dead horse" springs to mind.

Its a simple fact of life; Administrators and Users rarely see eye to eye in any circumstance. For instance whilst a user may think its ok to use company resources to backup their iTunes store, as an Administrator I think its unacceptable.

Without wanting to be derogatory, Users take liberties where-ever possible because what they use is "free".

[Becky Rose]

It can take me several seconds to reach shift-s because of the position of my keyboard when the wheel is out, it's why sometimes i'm very quiet online - or am slow to act on a vote or something.

For me shift-s is a realism killer, although I perfectly understand why oval junkies has it as a local rule. I'm of the mindset that car reset should be banned and that you should only be able to access the pitscreen after driving back to your pit box, and if you want to clear up a wreckage you have to enter spectate mode and your car is removed 2 minutes later, where upon you can then rejoin the racing.

Of course this can't work on the oval as is, ideally it needs a safety car system and full course yellows. It's bad enough in other LFS tracks that the yellow flag warnings seem very short ranged on ocassion compared to real racing, but on the oval the standard yellow flag system used in other racing doesnt even do the job in the real thing. Consequently they have the shift-s rule, and it's perfectly understandable that it is vigorously enforced.

I know oval racers are often credited with the same joyful bliss of "real" racing as drifters are, but I think that is unfair. It's a different discipline which involves different skills.

I would like to do oval racing, but I dont like the shift-s approach to racing. I may do a little of it if LFS ever gets full course yellows and safety cars.

[tinvek]

what really p's me off is when your on a circuit and a decent fast racer gets taken out by a crashed car in a tight spot such as the chicane at south city and then they rant and rave about it whilst remaining on the track themselves.

another thing is when you come across a wreck and slow or stop and the idiot behind decides he cant / won't wait and either hits you hard or pushes you into the crash. a variation on this is when on lap 1 at south city and i've slowed to about 75 in chicane because the cars in front are going that speed and some idiot comes barreling through at full speed and hits me and then goes into 1 about me going too slow

[XCNuse]

bah.. thats nothing

lets talk about the idiots trying to get 2 or .. (omg.. 3) wide going into the city's chicane.. ya.. how retarded can you be

its impossible to get 2 of anything through there at the same time, ya you can fit 2 MRT's in there.. try going even a slow 50mph and see if you make it out.. uhuh.. ya, now what are these fools in BF1s and FOXs trying to do?!

wreckers can be bad, but lately i've noticed all the fools just sitting around on the track
okay.. just sitting there, not on the actual track, just off to the side of it usually after a spin at the end of a turn, but instead they just sit there.. for the whole race, and then to find out you cant concentrate on that turn because you got a damn car sitting there and you dont know what they are goign to do every single lap.. until they do move and then you yourself crash and its just freaking annoying

[tinvek]

cant we have a setting on servers so any car that doesnt move for a set period of time is bumped to spectator. apart from the "parkers" it would solve the problem of cars standing at start because their driver isnt at pc.

an aside from this is that a couple of times ive been in spectate and when restart has happended i've found my self on grid. and i've seen it happen to othe racers. luckily i've noticed in time to either jump back to spectate or jump on controls but its a bit disconcerting

[Thorvertonian]

Shift+S should be not be allowed on circuit racing and possibly long oval races, a simulation, crashes should be avoided as in real races, but for the Oval Junkies/Xsiv server the races are only 8 laps, less than 5 minutes, if you crash, your race is ruined, but if you stay on track, more than likely you will ruin someone elses race... it's only 5 minutes inbetween restarts so Shift+S'ing in these short races should be done for the enjoyment of the majority....

[XCNuse]

i think it should be like GP1? and.. i believe GP2 had it, but its been so freaking long i cant remember, also indycar racing 2 i think had it where the safety trucks and crane pull you off track

man i still cant believe i played GP1 and enjoyed it, i remember hte graphics being.. good or atleast there being textures or something, i look at it now and.. its blocks
..its free now too lol
http://www.abandonia.com/games/400/download/Formula1GrandPrix.htm

omg.. back in the days when games were on floppy disks holy crap, the whole game is 3.8 mb.. freaking amazing

[tinvek]

loved grand prix1


bought my amiga 500 + to play it

got 2 3 and 4 somewhere but somehow 1 seems better

[AndRand]

In any case, different servers will have different rules. Since the latest patch, there is now the possibility to show a message on the loading screen when joining a server; I would suggest that:

a) More admins use this function to lay out the ground-rules for their servers..
and
b) People take the trouble to read them, and abide by the wishes of the hosts!

I will admit that you dont get a lot of time to read these messages, but maybe in future patches a configurable delay could be implemented

I like the idea of preloading screen - with multigame screen buttons under ESC: to join, pit or exit (and option to show on/off at connection screen). It could have a default layout with for textbox only: rules and wishes :)... or that could even be mostly fully invention free with some obligatory elements in respect to LFS - I can see ppl from "edited pics" thread veeery busy :D
(I know, that could go into the suggestions thread!)
right!