Cars we don't drive?

[alliennas]

Hi racers.
Few days earlier, I decided to check what cars people drives most.. So here it is :really:(attached). For example we have XR GT Turbo and XR GTR, and no one drives the old XR GT. Why? Because everybody drives XR GT Turbo. Same story with LX4 and LX6. Actually I have never seen someone to drive the LX4.

Formula V8 is "dead" like MRT atm. But I do like these two cars, but no one drives it, because BF1 came in :tilt:. Yeap, BF1 is very popular recent days, and it killed the old good FO8. Ok that's a bit off topic.

My point is: do we really need such cars like XR GT, LX4 ? (don't blame me for my opinion)
Sorry for english
alliennas :tilt:

[joen]

The V8 was already dead before the BF1 came in because of it's twitchy end before the tyre/physics updates. Just about the only place you saw it was on the oval.
The MRT may be an open wheeler but it's a totally different car from the BF1. So I don't see how the BF1 could have "killed" the MRT.

Basically yes we need all those cars. Some may be more popular than others but as long as people like driving it either online or offline they should stay. What would be the point in removing any content :shrug:

[deggis]

Same story with LX4 and LX6. Actually I have never seen someone to drive the LX4.I don't even see people driving LX6. :shrug:

[Krane]

My point is: do we really need such cars like XR GT, LX4 ? (don't blame me for my opinion) http://www.lfsworld.net/?win=statstats&whichTab=carusage&abc=1

Yes we do, IMO LX4/6 is about the most fun car to drive in LFS :D
XR GT not so much, but the down putting thing in it is, that it's so slow compared to XF GTI :shrug:

Sorry for english
alliennas :tilt:Now you're just being silly, your english is a LOT better than some posting here who live in UK/US/OZ and speak it as their 1st language :thumb:

[rc10racer]

Hi racers.
Few days earlier, I decided to check what cars people drives most.. So here it is :really:(attached). For example we have XR GT Turbo and XR GTR, and no one drives the old XR GT. Why? Because everybody drives XR GT Turbo. Same story with LX4 and LX6. Actually I have never seen someone to drive the LX4.

Formula V8 is "dead" like MRT atm. But I do like these two cars, but no one drives it, because BF1 came in :tilt:. Yeap, BF1 is very popular recent days, and it killed the old good FO8. Ok that's a bit off topic.

My point is: do we really need such cars like XR GT, LX4 ? (don't blame me for my opinion)
Sorry for english
alliennas :tilt:

Well i drive the uf1 alot offline well in hl mode anyway, MRT is an beast of a car to push to the limits when you want to, and the others are goodish cars but not all people drive them because not all server are setup for those cars but it takes alot of care to drive the rwd cars fast and most people just spin when they are not in a car they now have to drive right

[Captain Slow]

where would banger servers be without the uf1? plus the uf1 is the ultimate car for autocross CnR :D

[ajp71]

Over the last week I've seen regular XR GT servers, more than TBO/GT Turbo servers in fact. The LX4 is raced more than the LX6 (or the entire LRF class) and the FO8 is my favourite car in LFS :)

[ajp71]

but haven't touched the BF1.

I have but hated it :D

[tristancliffe]

I love the XRGT, the LX4, the MRT and the FO8. I also love the XRGTT, the LX6, the FOX, the FZR and the Beast (UF1000). I don't enjoy the front wheel drive cars (other than the UF1000) much, and the four wheel drive cars are as boring in LFS as they are in real life (personal opinion, no point flaming as I won't change my mind). Not really exciting by the Sauber. It's great fun to drive, but only useful for 50 lap races with harder tyres or single lap qualifying - 5 lap races are a waste of time in my opinion.

If it's got an engine and the rear wheels are driven by it, chances are I'll like it.

Alex - you were quicker last night with my setup (taken from Inferno about a month ago). The BF1 just needs LOTS of concentration and a really smooth style. I think, from what I saw, you'd get more from a chuckable LX then the Sauber.

[danowat]

Heres mine, I find the BF1 and large GTR's as dull as ditchwater.

Dan,

[axus]

LX4 and Formula V8 are my two favourite cars. Raceabout is nice, RB4 GT Turbo we need because its the only 4WD, but it needs to have its specs changed and the UF GTR is much nicer to drive than the XF GTR IMO. :nod: Its just because these cars are more "hardcore" than most of the others, but take them away and LFS' hardcore fanbase will be much smaller.

[alliennas]

Heres mine, I find the BF1 and large GTR's as dull as ditchwater.

Dan,

interesting, no GTR cars (big ones) :really: :tilt:

[farcar]

The FOX has been dominating the public servers lately. At least when I've been online. And I hate the thing!
If I wanted to drive a FOX, I'd go and play with my Scalextric slot car set! :D.

Give me the road cars or the F08 any day.

[wheel4hummer]

I've driven all of those cars you mentioned (XR GT, LX4, LX6, MRT, FO8) in the last week, but haven't touched the BF1.

Same here! Alliennas crossed out all of my favorite cars! :D

[danowat]

interesting, no GTR cars (big ones) :really: :tilt:

Yep, I have driven them a fair few times because thats sometimes all thats available to race online, but I don't very "like" or "enjoy" driving them, they feel so soulless.

Dan,

[Captain Slow]

The FOX has been dominating the public servers lately. At least when I've been online. And I hate the thing!
If I wanted to drive a FOX, I'd go and play with my Scalextric slot car set! :D.

Give me the road cars or the F08 any day.

WHAT!!! ONE ONE ELEVEN the fox is soooooooooo fun. especially with steering damage. :D

[farcar]

WHAT!!! ONE ONE ELEVEN the fox is soooooooooo fun. especially with steering damage. :D

Does steering damage make it less like a slot car??
:)

[vicvega]

XR GT need some extra horsepower.

[Crazy Harry]

The V8 was already dead before the BF1 came in because of it's twitchy end before the tyre/physics updates....

:pillepall

[Kalev EST]

XR GT need some extra horsepower.
No it doesn´t. XR GT and XF GTI are nicely balanced right now. Giving XRG more power would ruin the best balanced car-class in LFS.:shrug:

[-Willi-]

Don't know how u checked wich cars ppl drive, but your result is totally wrong.

I have had alot MRT Races the last few weeks and there are more to come. Also GT and FO8 are not dead. Yes - they are not very popular on public servers, but who cares?
My fav. car at the moment is FZ50 and the final answer to ur question is:
YES, we need them all!

[Hyperactive]

Some cars I use really rarely, though the XRG must be the only one which I really haven't driven for more than just a couple of laps. XRR, F08 and RA :)

Of course I added the imaginery carlist as well :p

[J_Matrix]

Hi racers.
Few days earlier, I decided to check what cars people drives most.. So here it is :really:(attached). For example we have XR GT Turbo and XR GTR, and no one drives the old XR GT. Why? Because everybody drives XR GT Turbo. Same story with LX4 and LX6. Actually I have never seen someone to drive the LX4.

Formula V8 is "dead" like MRT atm. But I do like these two cars, but no one drives it, because BF1 came in :tilt:. Yeap, BF1 is very popular recent days, and it killed the old good FO8. Ok that's a bit off topic.

My point is: do we really need such cars like XR GT, LX4 ? (don't blame me for my opinion)
Sorry for english
alliennas :tilt:

I think we need all of those cars. What you pointed out (people don't use them) it's mostly due to balance issues i think. UFR is widely overrun by XFR, XRgt is beaten by XFgt, Rb4 is way too slow compared to FXO and XRT. RAC and Fz50 are quite tricky to use, F08 is a lot better with tyre patch, but many people like more BF1. I think that some of the problems would be solved when we will get more balance in cars' classes.

[Crazy Harry]

HYPERACTIVE:
YOU ROCK! :thumb: :thumb:

ENDU GTR??? MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

[frokki]

you DON'T drive LX, RAC, FZ5!!

And I don't count those 10 goofy servers (stunt, citydriving (lol), drift) here. Even they're always crowded.

I do drive them, in single player.. :((

[Captain Slow]

HYPERACTIVE:
YOU ROCK! :thumb: :thumb:

ENDU GTR??? MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

wat he said^

[Xaid0n]

well here's a list of cars i drive and don't drive... XF GTR is supposed to be a Tick :shy:

[Hyperactive]

You mean like this: :really:

(Sorry for offtopic)

[alliennas]

You mean like this: :really:

(Sorry for offtopic)

:D :pillepall

[Dajmin]

I try to play as many of the cars as I can, but sadly a lot of them are never available in multiplayer and I refuse to sit on my own server running countless solo laps waiting for others to join :)

I love the FO8 BECAUSE it's not easy to drive. No TC means you really need to learn some throttle control - lead foot it and you won't leave the start line.I rarely bother with the BF1, but that might just be because most of the tracks the BF1 servers run are too short to use the car to potential :p

I also like the TBO class cars, but again there's no point picking anything other than the FXO for those because you can't beat it. I'd like to see more servers with the common (or more unbalanced/overpowered) cars disabled, just to see what people would do. Maybe that's just my sadistic nature coming out :)

[Crazy Harry]

You mean like this: :really:

(Sorry for offtopic)

More like this :D


(Sorry for offtopic)

[Kalev EST]

That´s the statistics of car usage in S2. It however doesnt accurately show the cars popularity at the moment. The fo8 has so many laps cause it was the main oval car before patch U, bf1 hasnt got so many laps cause it was added later and hasn´t been around that long. But it does show which cars are more popular in general.

formula xr 6,914,738 laps
formula v8 6,712,884 laps
fz50 gtr 3,567,678 laps
bmw sauber 2,746,218 laps
fxo gtr 2,335,366 laps
xf gtr 2,176,806 laps
uf1000 2,168,240 laps
xf gti 1,464,379 laps
xr gtr 1,070,563 laps
mrt5 1,035,939 laps
rb4 1,000,206 laps
fxo 971,457 laps
xr gt turbo 817,643 laps
uf gtr 731,403 laps
fz50 394,642 laps
lx4 391,851 laps
lx6 354,081 laps
ra 281,261 laps
xr gt 274,988 laps

[Xaid0n]

You mean like this: :really:

(Sorry for offtopic)

More like this :D


(Sorry for offtopic)

Is that necessary.... I was just making a point fgs :shrug:

[Crazy Harry]

Yes it is. IMHO it´s ok to mess around "a little bit". Hyper did the best joke here FOR A LONG TIME so ....:schwitz:

[ATC Quicksilver]

Rubbish the lx4 is driven loads, or at least will be when the crc's lovely shiney new LX Eurocup kicks off.

[Chris_Kerry]

lx4 391,851 laps
lx6 354,081 laps
ra 281,261 laps
xr gt 274,988 laps

The LX's should get used more, but the RA is a very difficult car to drive.

[xWolFx]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazy Harry http://www.lfsforum.net/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=192936#post192936)
HYPERACTIVE:
YOU ROCK! :thumb: :thumb:

ENDU GTR??? MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!


wat he said^


what they said ^^^

[Madman_CZ]

For the last 2h i have been hosting Blackwood rallyx with bf1, rb4 and both lx's

The bf1 was just messing around as people wanted to see me do 1.00min lap but lx6 is great on blrx,

best rally combo imho...

it is true that the other cars are hardly ever seen on the servers...

mad

[SamH]

My faves attached.
My top faves are the LX6, FZR and BF1. All for entirely different reasons. In each of them, I have a tremendous sense of attachment to the car. It's kinda a comfort factor.

[Madman_CZ]

mrt5 is quite a fun car to race if you want to have close races but i think there arent enough good tracks for the car....

[Cue-Ball]

Does steering damage make it less like a slot car??
:)Because the fox is so precise and easy to drive I think it's most fun on unforgiving tracks like South City. Driving the fox on a track like Westhill just isn't as fun or challenging. The opposite seems to be true for cars like the FZ5. Because it's big, heavy, and doesn't turn as sharply it seems to be the most fun on tracks like Aston and Westhill. The shorter, tighter tracks are more frustrating than fun.

As to the OP - I think your list is a little off. The LX4 is one of the best cars in the game. I prefer it over the LX6 and even drove it for quite a while last night. The FZ5 is also a TON of fun on the right track. In fact, it's one of my favorite cars. It just doesn't get much attention because of the GTR model. The UF1 is also a ton of fun on the right track. It makes for very close and forgiving races around the Club track variants.

I do think that the UFR and XR GT are way underused though. Neither of these cars can compete with the other cars in their class on most tracks.

[tristancliffe]

The LX's should get used more, but the RA is a very difficult car to drive.

Agreed, I just wish I could get all the understeer off the RA. Corners? What are they, this car just does straights and slightly less straight.

[Misko]

I do think that the UFR and XR GT are way underused though. Neither of these cars can compete with the other cars in their class on most tracks.I'm getting very tired about this common misconception. Just take a look at (proper) WRs and league results, or just try to actually race them fully and you'll see that these two are the best balanced classes in LFS.

[v4forlife]

i aint touched alot of the cars that were originally labeled with a plus, and have driven almost only the lx4, RAC, uf1, mrt....so i think that you need to visit different servers, cause your not getting out(in a lfs world) enough.

[Cue-Ball]

I'm getting very tired about this common misconception. Just take a look at (proper) WRs and league results, or just try to actually race them fully and you'll see that these two are the best balanced classes in LFS.WRs really don't mean anything to me. Running one fast lap is one thing, running 20 of them back to back is another entirely. I'll have to trust you about the league racing because I've never seen a league that races these cars. In my personal experience the UFR is way more difficult to control than the XFR due to the extra short wheelbase. The XFR is nearly as fast while also being easier to control. The same thing is true with the XR GT versus the XFG. Sure, you CAN be as fast in the XR GT, but why bother? The other car is just as fast and much more forgiving. If you make one mistake in the XRG the race is over while all of your competitors in their FWD cars just plow ahead and win.

This is my personal experience. YMMV.

[Misko]

We have 3 hour races in 2 classes in LFS GT, 2nd class being XFR and UFR and we are very equal. UFR is the same or slightly better in braking, acceleration and cornering, and XFR is little faster at the end of longer straights which makes it pretty much equal overall. 1 hour stints for both cars are no problem at all (R3 or sometimes even R2 on the front), in fact we changed only front tyres sometimes, but we have not been brave enough to try 1h 30minutes stint in either of the cars, so we can't tell for sure which car is better on the tyres, though we suspect UFR is. Theres a new season in Czech league going on now that uses this class, so that could be looked too. I didn't follow it, maybe Chaos could give us a little report. :)

Being the lighter and more nimble car I prefer UFR, same thing for XFG. Its just more fun to toss around smaller and lighter car. :) XRG is there for those who really hate FWD and those people usually can handle it just fine and be perfectly competitive. :) Sure, some tracks favour one car, some another, but overall these classes are well balanced and no car is obvious winner, there's a car for each different prefference. Difficulty in handling is also driver's choice. :)

[wark]

I don't drive any of the fore-wheel or four wheel driven cars. Coincidence? :magnify:

[Gunn]

I don't touch any FWD cars or the RAC. Everything else (including the FO8, the MRT and the LX4) I drive and enjoy.

[Robster230]

I love the RA! and would love to see more servers with it, I've done a track day in an Elise and this is about as close as it gets for a computer game! :D

It's so much fun to chuck about.

I rarely use the MRT, but probably cos I can't get my head around what it actually is! hhehe

Rest i'm all for

[Takumi_Project.d]

XRG is my favourite and most used car :tilt:

[Slartibartfast]

@Hyperactive LSHMNFO!!!!!!!!!!

I think the FO8 is a gas. Much better now and highly underused.

I really don't see the point in any of the FWDs.

[510N3D]

Well actually i like every car in lfs because every car is unique and fun to drive but the track is important for me. Red surrounded cars are my favs and its like music, i dont like to hear to a single music category so it is in LFS, no favorit car.

The cars i dont like that much:

UF1: slow car, fun to drive on banger servers or short tracks but not a endu car imho :)

LX4: who needs lx4 when you can drive lx6 ? :P no for real - fun to drive but in case lx6 is available as well, i change to it.

RA: damn mid-engine biatch, oversteer or understeer? you never know... this car needs alot of skills and with a stable setup its fun to drive as well

FZ50: now with TC? omg no way...going only without tc and at some tracks its real fun to drive but hard to drive as well. Needs lot of skills and a stable trim.

UF GTR: Just a few combos i´d like take this car for a ride. FWD, much horses and tiny tires thats not good :) In case i have the choise, i prefer the XF GTR. But i respect the guys that can keep up with this car rly :)

MRT: uhm ok, thats a different vehicle, but i like Cars not toys :) Respect to the guys that are fast with this one. Cant really handle this thing still.

FOX: Uhm...hard to say, fun to drive at some tracks but feels like a toy as well somehow. Not to say you need no skills but the oposite of that. Gives a nice feeling on track but i cant really get familar with it.

RB4: well i loved that car in S1 but now, hmm i dont know how to say it...it feels different and its not that fun to drive anymore. Looking forward for a Rally version of it but till then the rb4 is one of the less used car by me for now. :(

[Hyperactive]

Ra is understeery if you don't know the tricks. Beats the FZ50 any day any time. On some tracks the Ra is quite controllable, though I wouldn't try to drive any fast corners with it, or with any other non-slick rwd in LFS. If there is a bump there is a slide. :)

Ra for teh president :)

[510N3D]

Ra is understeery if you don't know the tricks. Beats the FZ50 any day any time. On some tracks the Ra is quite controllable, though I wouldn't try to drive any fast corners with it, or with any other non-slick rwd in LFS. If there is a bump there is a slide. :)

Ra for teh president :)

Well its a RWD car right? And with the mid-engine, total mass and hp its even oversteering more then often. I know some tricks but its still unpredictably what will happen next no matter if you are infront - inside or at the end of a turn :)

[Nick_ll]

Dammit you people are not very selective!
I only drive LX6, FOX, FO8, XRR and very rarely XRT, BF1 and FZR.

[510N3D]

@ Nick_II: beeing selective in every situation of life is nonesence. Ok, most of the time you have to be selective but as its a nature thing that nearly everything has a opposition there are things/situations where you dont have to make a choise and can still go on, keep up you name it. In case i do not have to choose, perfect, even more fun and more possibilities.

@ Gunn: You dont like FWD cars then you miss alot of fun. And dont come up with this argument: fwd for woman rwd for men lol - 4 rly who cars as long as you enjoy the stuff you do o what?

[Captain Slow]

Dammit you people are not very selective!
I only drive
isnt that a slight contradiction?

[Marty502]

I exclusively drive the XFG, XR GT and XRT. :)

Wait...

[alland44]

I just started driving all the boring cars. xrg, xrt, lx4, lx6, rac and fz50

I drive some of them more than the others, so xrg, lx4 and rac are kind of favorite RWD cars for me, just now. I do drive the normal FWD cars, but not so often, because my Lfs time is limited.

The cars I drive the least, is fox, fo8, Bf1 and the "big" gtr`s - Those cars are the most "boring" cars in lfs, and I don`t think I ever will try to learn to drive them. There is no fun at 250 Km/Hour - Just speed !?

[Gunn]

@ Gunn: You dont like FWD cars then you miss alot of fun. And dont come up with this argument: fwd for woman rwd for men lol - 4 rly who cars as long as you enjoy the stuff you do o what?Oh but I don't enjoy FWD cars. So your argument confirms my choice as valid. FWD is simply inferior, not my fault, I didn't design them. I've been driving for 25 years so I think by now I know what I like. I don't need other people to tell me how to feel about it, but thanks for the offer.

[alland44]

Oh but I don't enjoy FWD cars. So your argument confirms my choice as valid. FWD is simply inferior, not my fault, I didn't design them. I've been driving for 25 years so I think by now I know what I like. I don't need other people to tell me how to feel about it, but thanks for the offer.

Tell us why !?

I`m a little fed up with these RWD guru`s, which only can drive the RWD`s

It`s like someones, want to pinpoint an elite - The RWD drivers, and all of the others, the lowlife FDW racers !?

And it seems like the FWD drivers are more likely to accept a race with RWD involved, but RWD racers can`t even think of driving the RWD cars. Allways this comment "I don`t drive RWD cars"

Sorry I jumped you in this matter - Just one to many sacred RWD drivers picking on the mob. :)

EDIT :

By the way - I don`t enjoy RWD cars, because they are so hard to handle - But I don`t give them up. That`s the difference.

[Gabkicks]

fundamentally fwd cars are inferior if things like weight and power are the same as a rwd car of same class. of course there are many amazing fwd cars that are fun to drive but originally fwd were made to save costs in production... if i remember correctly.

[Gunn]

Tell us why !?

I`m a little fed up with these RWD guru`s, which only can drive the RWD`s

It`s like someones, want to pinpoint an elite - The RWD drivers, and all of the others, the lowlife FDW racers !?

And it seems like the FWD drivers are more likely to accept a race with RWD involved, but RWD racers can`t even think of driving the RWD cars. Allways this comment "I don`t drive RWD cars"

Sorry I jumped you in this matter - Just one to many sacred RWD drivers picking on the mob. :)Guru? I state my choice, it is very simple to understand. Why should I explain the differences between drivetrains just because someone doesn't understand my choice? Did I call anyone a lowlife? Do I even care what other people drive? You make it sound like FWD lovers have an inferiority complex. That wouldn't be my problem either, if it were true.

[alland44]

fundamentally fwd cars are inferior if things like weight and power are the same as a rwd car of same class. of course there are many amazing fwd cars that are fun to drive but originally fwd were made to save costs in production... if i remember correctly.

Lot of the cars - Let`s take the fz50, would kill most of the drivers, trying to race it, if this was IRL !?

I like a fast controlable car, doing what I ask it to do (or nearly so)
I would die, or chrash badly, if you put me in a fz50, and made me race cadet :)

Has every RWD racer a death wish ?

[alland44]

Guru? I state my choice, it is very simple to understand. Why should I explain the differences between drivetrains just because someone doesn't understand my choice? Did I call anyone a lowlife? Do I even care what other people drive? You make it sound like FWD lovers have an inferiority complex. That wouldn't be my problem either, if it were true.

I just noticed one more RWD racer, telling the world that he hates FWD.
Sometimes one have to ask - Why ?

Why is it that so many RWD drivers tells ME, that my ride stinks ?
Because that is what you are doing :)

[Gabkicks]

Lot of the cars - Let`s take the fz50, would kill most of the drivers, trying to race it, if this was IRL !?

I like a fast controlable car, doing what I ask it to do (or nearly so)
I would die, or chrash badly, if you put me in a fz50, and made me race cadet :)

Has every RWD racer a death wish ?

the Fzr does not seem hard at all for me to control. lots of people race porsches irl. and the fz50 is like a porsche carrera. rwd cars are usually better at putting power down and more stable overall. The fxo feels more unstable to me than the xrt.

Gun is a drivetrain-ist lol. . i am a bit predjudice against fwd cars myself.

[Gunn]

I just noticed one more RWD racer, telling the world that he hates FWD.
Sometimes one have to ask - Why ?

Why is it that so many RWD drivers tells ME, that my ride stinks ?
Because that is what you are doing :)Well, I could ask "why do people like FWD?" But I don't ask that because I'm not interested in the answer. All I did was state which cars I don't drive, including the RAC which is RWD, by the way. I couldn't give a toss what other people drive, not even in real life. :shrug:

[Gabkicks]

rofl i agree about the fxo. once you get used to the fxo its fun to drive tho...

[alland44]

rofl i agree about the fxo. once you get used to the fxo its fun to drive tho...

YES !

I kept quiet, because i wouldn`t make any more noise.
They know where to kick those RWD boys :smileypul

[Gabkicks]

lame dude lame...

[alland44]

Do some workout, and maby you`ll gain the power in your arms, to control the fxo :thumb:

[Nick_ll]

If I remember correctly, FWD was invented by a french engineer, and it is used because it is safer, because for most drivers on the road, understeer is easier to control than oversteer (because for one thing the average driver sucks).

RWD is seen as more "logical" because it allows for a better, more even weight distribution. That is better, in particular for racecars as it allows for a more even tire wear. Now that doesn't say FWD is no fun to drive at all, but I do believe RWD is more fun personally.

[alland44]

If I remember correctly, FWD was invented by a french engineer, and it is used because it is safer, because for most drivers on the road, understeer is easier to control than oversteer (because for one thing the average driver sucks).

RWD is seen as more "logical" because it allows for a better, more even weight distribution. That is better, in particular for racecars as it allows for a more even tire wear. Now that doesn't say FWD is no fun to drive at all, but I do believe RWD is more fun personally.

DAMN !
You make me sleepy - Goodnigth to you !
(I`m bored)

[Infiniti]

Rwd you can do Burnouts :thumb: lol, but I just like how rwd feels, you can accelerate in turns, get the back end out a little. Just here in the Midwest, snow is what plagues all rwd'ers. Just too hard sometimes, while fwd just breeze through it! :( I like oversteer at times because if you can control it, it's much more rewarding to do. Just my two cents. I've owned at fwd and long as you have a nefty E-brake it can be fun! :D

[Gabkicks]

modified... fwd cars can do burnouts too :p

[Nick_ll]

Any FWD car with 250+ bhp can do burnouts without even trying!

[Gabkicks]

true lol.:tilt:

[AeoIus]

I'll drive whatever is raced with preferably over 4 people on a server.

I do however keep having problems with RWD cars, because I oversteer like hell. I don't believe I've ever been able to control a RWD car for 5 laps without looking back on the track at least once :)

I do like the MRT and FOX though and can control these reasonably even if I'm not really fast. The FOX just needs a completely different driving style then e.g. XFG which I like.

I still need to just try out more on the RWD cars. Did have a go at both LX6 and LX4 and kinda liked the LX4, but it was a really understeering setup so taking corners was a biatch.

I just do not have a lot of time to play and then sticking with a more comfortable car (usually FWD or 4WD) because it suits my driving style better, makes it more fun for me to race them. I'm at least a bit competetive and will be less of a trouble to other people on the server because I've better car control.

That said, I'll still race in any car that is being used when I'm online having fun whatever I drive anyway :thumb:

[Tomi]

If I remember correctly, FWD was invented by a french engineer, and it is used because it is safer, because for most drivers on the road, understeer is easier to control than oversteer (because for one thing the average driver sucks).

RWD is seen as more "logical" because it allows for a better, more even weight distribution. That is better, in particular for racecars as it allows for a more even tire wear. Now that doesn't say FWD is no fun to drive at all, but I do believe RWD is more fun personally.

It was not invented because it is safer. It was invented because it saves a lot of space compared to the conventionnal front engined rwd car.

After WWII, people in europe needed small and affordable cars, which would still have enough space for whole family. To gain space, they needed to get ride of that huge transmission axle. Two solutions became popular : the FWD solution, keeping the engine in the front, and the Rear engine / RWD solution while the traditionnal Front Engined RWD solution was still used for bigger cars. The RWD solution became more widespread in the early years (50's) because it was easier to do and more reliable (no cardan) though the FWD solution had its supporter in the name of Citroen and Panhard who made it popular. They were soon relayed by the Austin Mini. It soon became evident to everybody that the Rear Engined RWD solution was a great solution for economic yet sporty cars (Renault 4CV and Dauphine 1093, Alpine A110, NSU TT, Hillman Imp, Fiat 500 Abarth, DB Djet) because of a better traction and better reliability with more powerfull engines. But these cars were less comfortable and more touchy to drive, especially at high speed because of a very light front end. The RWD Rear Engined solution was also less practical when a car had to be derived in a station-wagon version. Peugeot and Renault followed the Citroen path and progressively switched to FWD during the 60-70's. Other manufacturers did the switch a bit later (starting with the little cars), mostly in late 70's early 80's.

[farcar]

We should call you Mr Google.
Or Tomipedia.
:)

[orre]

IMO then only boring car in LFs is BF1 and might FZ50

[danowat]

IMO then only boring car in LFs is BF1 and might FZ50

How on earth can you say the FZ50 is boring? :pillepall

Dan,

[al heeley]

Cos maybe it's his opinion? No matter how strongly you may disagree, he has the right to his own opinion. :tilt:

[danowat]

Yeah, and a forum would be a great place if everyone had the same opinion.

My point to him was, and I should have put it differently was this,

The FZ50 is a VERY fun car, with the right track and setup, maybe he hasnt given it enough time, or just doesnt have the required skills to drive it?.

Dan,

[510N3D]

Oh but I don't enjoy FWD cars. So your argument confirms my choice as valid. FWD is simply inferior, not my fault, I didn't design them. I've been driving for 25 years so I think by now I know what I like. I don't need other people to tell me how to feel about it, but thanks for the offer.

Gunn: You dont like FWD cars then you miss alot of fun. And dont come up with this argument: fwd for woman rwd for men lol - 4 rly who cares as long as you enjoy the stuff you do o what?

i meaned what you said...as long as you enjoy only rwd i dont care. But still you miss some nice action even if you have been driven now for 25 years but whatever its your choise :thumb: And if it sounds like id like to tell you what to do i can only say: damn language barriers :smileypul

[510N3D]

Tell us why !?

I`m a little fed up with these RWD guru`s, which only can drive the RWD`s

It`s like someones, want to pinpoint an elite - The RWD drivers, and all of the others, the lowlife FDW racers !?

And it seems like the FWD drivers are more likely to accept a race with RWD involved, but RWD racers can`t even think of driving the RWD cars. Allways this comment "I don`t drive RWD cars"

Sorry I jumped you in this matter - Just one to many sacred RWD drivers picking on the mob. :)

EDIT :

By the way - I don`t enjoy RWD cars, because they are so hard to handle - But I don`t give them up. That`s the difference.


theres some truth in it...reminds me on the good old Oval vs. Road Track Conversation :scratchch :D There are ppl that love only RWD and ppl that only love FWD. But, there are ppl that like both. And there are even ppl who cant make a choise and some guys think RWD are for mens only and FWD is for woman. I had a lot of disscusions about that and those who cant make a choise may think this "RWD are for mens only and FWD is for woman" - Statement is true. But who cares, i dont and they miss something (maybe alot in many ways) thats for sure.

[SamH]

Isn't it the coolest thing, that we can talk about all of these different types of cars, and all their different handling characteristics, and all the things we like and dislike about each, without ever needing to venture out of talking about LFS?

It just strikes me that LFS caters for so many of us on such a personal level. How kewl is that? :)

[510N3D]

IMO then only boring car in LFs is BF1 and might FZ50

Turn off TractionControl :nod:

[alland44]

theres some truth in it...reminds me on the good old Oval vs. Road Track Conversation :scratchch :D There are ppl that love only RWD and ppl that only love FWD. But, there are ppl that like both. And there are even ppl who cant make a choise and some guys think RWD are for mens only and FWD is for woman. I had a lot of disscusions about that and those who cant make a choise may think this "RWD are for mens only and FWD is for woman" - Statement is true. But who cares, i dont and they miss something (maybe alot in many ways) thats for sure.

I just love this :
...We choose to go to the moon. We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win, and the others, too....

I have only one more thing to say in this thread :

"Ich bin ein Berliner"

EDIT :
And guys, and one girl. Think about what I just said !

[al heeley]

...think about what I just said...What, the sleepy, I'm bored bit?

[alland44]

What, the sleepy, I'm bored bit?

Muhaha !

You`re awake ! I`ll give you that.
Try once more, and learn from JFK !

He was a clever man.

(Shit, I wouldn`t write more ?)

[al heeley]

This message of defiance was aimed as much at the Soviets as it was at Berliners, and was a clear statement of U.S. policy in the wake of the construction of the Berlin Wall. However, Kennedy was criticized for making a speech that acknowledged Berlin's status quo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Status_quo) as reality. The official status of Berlin at the time was that it was under joint occupation by the four Allied powers, each with primary responsiblity for a certain zone. Up to this point the U.S. had asserted that this was its status, even though the actual situation was far different. Kennedy's speech marked the first instance where the U.S. acknowledged that East Berlin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Berlin) was part of the Soviet bloc (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_bloc) along with the rest of East Germany. The critics felt that Kennedy had given up the moral high ground and given in to Soviet pressure and that he needed to be more idealistic, and that the Soviets did not have the power to change the legal situation solely with bulldozers and guns.
Isn't Wikepedia great? Isn't this now totally irrelevant to the LFS forum?

[alland44]

This message of defiance was aimed as much at the Soviets as it was at Berliners, and was a clear statement of U.S. policy in the wake of the construction of the Berlin Wall. However, Kennedy was criticized for making a speech that acknowledged Berlin's status quo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Status_quo) as reality. The official status of Berlin at the time was that it was under joint occupation by the four Allied powers, each with primary responsiblity for a certain zone. Up to this point the U.S. had asserted that this was its status, even though the actual situation was far different. Kennedy's speech marked the first instance where the U.S. acknowledged that East Berlin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Berlin) was part of the Soviet bloc (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_bloc) along with the rest of East Germany. The critics felt that Kennedy had given up the moral high ground and given in to Soviet pressure and that he needed to be more idealistic, and that the Soviets did not have the power to change the legal situation solely with bulldozers and guns.
Isn't Wikepedia great? Isn't this now totally irrelevant to the LFS forum?

Yeahh !

East meet west - FWD meets RWD - Who cares ! :smileypul
I`m a jerk :)

[BlakjeKaas]

My point is: do we really need such cars like XR GT, LX4 ?


Yes.

Why delete existing cars?
I mean why is the LX8 removed...?
I don't get the point of getting rid of cars...
If it's gone you'll miss them...

[510N3D]

Originally Posted by alliennas http://www.lfsforum.net/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=192836#post192836)
My point is: do we really need such cars like XR GT, LX4 ?



Yes.

Why delete existing cars?
I mean why is the LX8 removed...?
I don't get the point of getting rid of cars...
If it's gone you'll miss them...


uhm no? Removing a Classic Car, XR GT, also a Demo Car would be lame.

Both cars are, in a way cars to learn and get skills for the big brothers, XRT and LX6 or am i wrong?:scratchch They helped me alot to get a clue how to drive a RWD Biatch with a Turbo :)

[DeadWolfBones]

The FO8 is by far my favorite ride.

[Slartibartfast]

There is a beauty that RWDs exhibit that FWDs simply cannot. There is soul in the way they rotate. A Motown funk. A stink, that you either get or don't get. Like Stevie Wonder. He got some stink. No matter how hard they try, others just plain got no stink. The reason RWDs rotate like they do is because you can only ask two wheels to do so much. Braking, steering, *and* accelerating? Pffft! FWD is driving with two wheels. Drive the car. Don't follow it. And when I say drive, I mean put some stink on it. Like the keys in the intro of Superstitious. Lift to get rotation at entry. Squeeze to get rotation at the control phase of the turn. Squeeze more and release, like an orgasm, to exit on the edge of disaster. The corner is not the only one. The lap is not the only one. The entire race is one continuous motion. Unhaltingly grooving with the very fiber of your being. An extention of your true spirit. An expression of the non-linear chaotic state that is nature in all it's glorious unpredictablility. Pure destiny. You cast yourself into it and when the groove is right, the voice comes naturally. It springs forth from the wells of eternity. From the depths of your soul and all souls before you. It manifests as celebration. Glee in moving with the ebb of the universe. It is known by all in it's truth. The beauty of motion. Of flow. Of human recognition in gravity, and our natural instincts to explore and conquer. We master by sheer will. The will of the engineers, the will of gravity, and the will of the driver.

FWD aint got no stink, brudda.

"Very superstitious... writings on the wall... "
Eh ow eh ehh oww ooowadaaa, eh ow eh oh oh OH OH!

With FEELING!

[PS I live in the snow. Once you know how to work it, RWD is soooooo much more effective and safe than FWD. The car will simply do more things to change direction. FWD scares the pickles out of me in all conditions. It simply does not work as a car should. Of course, in the snow, AWD is kinda nice. But still don't got the stink.]

[farcar]

"Ich bin ein Berliner"

So, you're a jam doughnut then? :thumb:

[alland44]

So, you're a jam doughnut then? :thumb:

yeahhh ! With messy jam :)

[alland44]

There is a beauty that RWDs exhibit that FWDs simply cannot. There is soul in the way they rotate. A Motown funk. A stink, that you either get or don't get. Like Stevie Wonder. He got some stink. No matter how hard they try, others just plain got no stink. The reason RWDs rotate like they do is because you can only ask two wheels to do so much. Braking, steering, *and* accelerating? Pffft! FWD is driving with two wheels. Drive the car. Don't follow it. And when I say drive, I mean put some stink on it. Like the keys in the intro of Superstitious. Lift to get rotation at entry. Squeeze to get rotation at the control phase of the turn. Squeeze more and release, like an orgasm, to exit on the edge of disaster. The corner is not the only one. The lap is not the only one. The entire race is one continuous motion. Unhaltingly grooving with the very fiber of your being. An extention of your true spirit. An expression of the non-linear chaotic state that is nature in all it's glorious unpredictablility. Pure destiny. You cast yourself into it and when the groove is right, the voice comes naturally. It springs forth from the wells of eternity. From the depths of your soul and all souls before you. It manifests as celebration. Glee in moving with the ebb of the universe. It is known by all in it's truth. The beauty of motion. Of flow. Of human recognition in gravity, and our natural instincts to explore and conquer. We master by sheer will. The will of the engineers, the will of gravity, and the will of the driver.

FWD aint got no stink, brudda.

"Very superstitious... writings on the wall... "
Eh ow eh ehh oww ooowadaaa, eh ow eh oh oh OH OH!

With FEELING!

[PS I live in the snow. Once you know how to work it, RWD is soooooo much more effective and safe than FWD. The car will simply do more things to change direction. FWD scares the pickles out of me in all conditions. It simply does not work as a car should. Of course, in the snow, AWD is kinda nice. But still don't got the stink.]


Hmmmm

I love soul, and I really like funk, but I can`t recall those feelings, driving the RWD`s. For me it`s more like the end of the world music, Titanic, earthquakes, and big comets ending life on earth. There is no music for this kind of feeling.

Xfg should be the easiest car to drive, of the RWD`s. I drove it yesterday on Aston north rev - A track I know reasonably. It took me 15 minutes, to beat my own uf1000 pb on that track :)
(OK - I am a bit fast on north with uf1000, but ... ??)

I did some more laps, trying my best, but I ended up 10 seconds behind the leading times !? (It was a qualifying session)

So I would call RWD : "The blues" and a bad bad blues :D

[Hyperactive]

I just wanted to pop in and say that few hours ago I had some great racing in RAC on South city. Imho, people should really sometimes try to like new cars, take the LX6 for example. I hated it before the patch, hated pretty much after the patch but when I did my first races on OCC (LRF&BL1R) I started to really like the car. Same thing with the RAC. Once I got more used to it and had few more races, it was pure love. The RAC is now my favourite car, while in the past I have been almost exclusively racing the big GTRs and FOX pretty much all the time. With a good setup the RA is no longer twitchy, LX6 is still some much but both can be very enjoyable rides :)

Hell, I have even raced XRG recently, the most boring car ever seen in racing sim. And I even liked it! Next I'm gonna tease myself with XFG or even XFR. The boring, unpowered washing machine and the tintop, flip-flop tompty-pop.

Don't say that you hate some car if you haven't properly tried it. I won't make that mistake anymore :)

[alland44]

I just wanted to pop in and say that few hours ago I had some great racing in RAC on South city. Imho, people should really sometimes try to like new cars, take the LX6 for example. I hated it before the patch, hated pretty much after the patch but when I did my first races on OCC (LRF&BL1R) I started to really like the car. Same thing with the RAC. Once I got more used to it and had few more races, it was pure love. The RAC is now my favourite car, while in the past I have been almost exclusively racing the big GTRs and FOX pretty much all the time. With a good setup the RA is no longer twitchy, LX6 is still some much but both can be very enjoyable rides :)

Hell, I have even raced XRG recently, the most boring car ever seen in racing sim. And I even liked it! Next I'm gonna tease myself with XFG or even XFR. The boring, unpowered washing machine and the tintop, flip-flop tompty-pop.

Don't say that you hate some car if you haven't properly tried it. I won't make that mistake anymore :)


Do you have some of those "good setups" so I could learn loving this car, to share ?
:smileypul

[Hyperactive]

Do you have some of those "good setups" so I could learn loving this car, to share ?
:smileypul

This is the set I've been using lately. Understeery but surprizingly stable at higher speeds, like the fast corners on south city. Not sure where I did get it or is it my own making but I've done my pbs on Fe green and So4R with it.

I would defenately like to see more people racing the LRF cars :)

[Slartibartfast]

Xfg should be the easiest car to drive, of the RWD`s. I drove it yesterday on Aston north rev - A track I know reasonably. It took me 15 minutes, to beat my own uf1000 pb on that track :)

FOX is easily the easiest RWD to ease around in. Try this at BLGP.

[alland44]

This is the set I've been using lately. Understeery but surprizingly stable at higher speeds, like the fast corners on south city. Not sure where I did get it or is it my own making but I've done my pbs on Fe green and So4R with it.

I would defenately like to see more people racing the LRF cars :)

Thx.

I`ll try that out. :)

EDIT :

I could do three laps, without chrashes, on my worst track (Fe Green) That`s very promissing :)

[alland44]

FOX is easily the easiest RWD to ease around in. Try this at BLGP.

Thx

I`ll try that out too :)

[ekze]

I drive on all cars in lfs ^_^

[Jakg]

(LRF&BL1R)for some reason the STCC server was running this a while back and loved it, for the next two days the [MG] server had it, but people just didnt turn up :(

[Dumpy]

I'm pretty sure I've messed around with all of the cars at some point or another, but my current project is to practice with every car on every track/config. I didn't realize how long it was going to take at first :shrug:

I do most of my LFS at work (I work a night shift answering phones, and there's a lot of free time in the last half of my evening) hotlapping online on a hidden server. I don't have broadband here and I have to afk often enough to make actual racing pretty hopeless. I only get to do that for a small window of time after work before sleep :( and even then I'm not quite confident enough with many of the combos that seem to be popular online.

I made a list of the cars sorted by hp/ton and I'm slowly working my way up from the bottom of the bin. Basically I just drive each combo in quali mode with Kegetys fantastic ghost mod until I feel that I'm driving a smooth consistent lap - some of them take a lot longer to "master" (hehe, something like that :thumb:) than others. I made up a pretty slick Excel app that downloads all the WRs and my PBs and charts them against each other and shows the % difference so I can see which combos I'm doing relatively well on and which ones need a lot more practice.

So far I've done the UF1, XFG, and XRG, and I'm up to Fern Bay in the RB4. Each car has been my favorite car for the week or so while I was practicing with it - they're all a blast in their own respective ways. The UF1 and XFG were a good intro to LFS and helped me learn the tracks at low speeds. The XRG though... wow that was a surprise. It took me sooo long to get that ass under control. In retrospect, I think a big part of my problem was that I was trying to learn the RWD with really twitchy setups from teaminferno. When I finally dove into making my own setups with the help of Bob's guide and Colcob's analyser I ended up with a much looser and easier to control vehicle. It's much more fun actually being able to go a lap without doing 360s on every turn :shy:. The RB4 is a ton of fun too; I love chucking it around SO Long.

Anyway, to make a long story short, the notion of removing unpopular cars is ridiculous. They're all fun (to someone): slow, fast, RWD, FWD, 4WD, whatever! LFS FTW!

[Slartibartfast]

I just went through and did the Main Hotlap Rank. Boy, that was a lesson. I realized there are some cars I hate. (There are in RL too.) Most of the FWDs drive me buggy. The FXO is ridiculous. :pillepall That XRT is a real pain to drive.

On the other hand, the FXR was a wonderful surprise. :thumb: And all the single seaters are terrific. I'm really stoked to go out and find MRT and FO8 races now. What exceptional racing vehicles. :nod:

[Darkone55]

IMO then only boring car in LFs is BF1 and might FZ50

I don't see why people find the BF1 boring to drive. In fact, I think the car is so difficult, on any average server the difference between the top and the slower driver might be up to 7 seconds! So it's not really an easy car, and when you're on the limit, it feels awsome. The FOX feels boring, on the long straights. :(

[alland44]

I don't see why people find the BF1 boring to drive. In fact, I think the car is so difficult, on any average server the difference between the top and the slower driver might be up to 7 seconds! So it's not really an easy car, and when you're on the limit, it feels awsome. The FOX feels boring, on the long straights. :(


There is so much more tigth race in the fox, than this Bf1.

But if you don`t like to race - Choose that Bf1 :)

[Funnybear]

I don't feel there would be any good reason to retire any motors from LFS. They all make up the glorious tapestry that is the world of LFS.

Remember that just because you don't drive a certain track/car combo doesn't mean that other people don't. I was a FZR As.NAt man, as well as Kyoto but I know many people hated that 'the same as everyone else' feeling. But I can't stand the single seaters, many poeple won't hear a word said against them. That's what makes LFS the way it is, that is how good LFS is. That we can enter into a discussion about whether a car has merits or not in a way that you would never get in any other racing games/simulations.

And for the record . . . RWD got the soul and the groove with some stink thrown in for good measure and not only James Brown behind the wheel but with Howling Wolf, Stevie Wonder and the cool slippery slidy blues undertones of BB king riding shotgun.

Fwd . . . .well, thats got more of your chemical brothers, Aphex Twin, Orbital and Sneaker Pimps feel. Alright for a night out and a blast around town but most likely leave you with a headache in the morning.

AWD . . . See, no thats your safe option. Middle of the road with Dido fronting metallica. Massive attack playing backing to Def Leppard. Eric Clapton playing the lead guitar in AC/DC. It's got a bit of bark but you know it won't turn and stab you in the back. AWD is something you would take home to meet your mom.

I'm most definatly a RWD man. Mid engined preferable.

[Gunn]

I'm aiming for that whole Lightning Hopkins approach where the car is so cool and laid back that it drives you.

[gremwood]

Hi racers.
Few days earlier, I decided to check what cars people drives most.. So here it is :really:(attached). For example we have XR GT Turbo and XR GTR, and no one drives the old XR GT. Why? Because everybody drives XR GT Turbo. Same story with LX4 and LX6. Actually I have never seen someone to drive the LX4.

Formula V8 is "dead" like MRT atm. But I do like these two cars, but no one drives it, because BF1 came in :tilt:. Yeap, BF1 is very popular recent days, and it killed the old good FO8. Ok that's a bit off topic.

My point is: do we really need such cars like XR GT, LX4 ? (don't blame me for my opinion)
Sorry for english
alliennas :tilt:

-99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 9999999999

kthx. point made.

[Batterypark]

Cars we don't drive? LX8 GTR, unfortunately.

[Fonnybone]

While there are cars we don't use as much, i don't think we should get rid
of any existing one either. They all have a little something and i think the
servers are more to blame for which cars are popular. I've been hanging in
the SR server lately and it's always the FOX on AS club (something like
that). That has to affect the stats a bit ;)

Seems to me the FOX is the preferred open-wheel/single-seater. Now that
we have the BF1, the FO8 is a bit ignored, but after racing that BF1 in a
server the other day, i switched to the FO8 and god was it more fun to
drive. I was only 2 seconds off the pace of the BF1 but enjoyed it much more. :scratchch

[Funnybear]

Good point. Like I said, everycar in LFS atm is a piece of history. And as have been so eloquently put over the past posts is that each car has something very individual to offer. LFS isn't about racing just GT's, or just Open wheelers or just FWD's. It's got everything for everyone and it simulates to such a good degree that every car is what you would expect. Even though I am a GT RWD FZR fanatic I shall still go and drive a UF1 every once in a while just because I can. UF1 races are some of the best races I've ever had. It's somehtthing you can only really appreaciate once you've got competetative and race the highter classes that what the lower powered cars give you (Apart from good learning) is honest to goodness fun. And fun is where it's at. LFS really is that good.

[imthebestracerthereis]

heres mine

[Bob Smith]

Weird, you went to cross out the F1 car and got the lovely Formula 3000 instead. Oh well, your loss.

[imthebestracerthereis]

no its right :) but I think you had 1 too many beers if you think that haha no 8)

[The General Lee]

WHAT!!! ONE ONE ELEVEN the fox is soooooooooo fun. especially with steering damage. :D


Agree's.