hey whats with all the hate for Phlos

[downwiz2]

i think his last app was fantastic.:thumb: dont see why so many people are pissed off.....:shrug:

[XCNuse]

the thread was closed for a reason, read over it and you will see why phlos got in trouble with it

[NetDemon01]

Then you don't understand the concept of bandwidth usage not being free.

[ATC Quicksilver]

I found the fact that Victor gave him a lecture about being honest just a tad funny after i got punished for doing just that today. (see sig) *waits for pm saying i am banned*

My only problem with Phlos is that he is way too fast in the fox, i can't catch him up :(

EDIT: oh and he prefers hot lapping to racing...thats just wierd :S

[mkinnov8]

I gotta say, closing threads... I used to do it a lot on CRC, but I've learnt that a thread is over when its over, not when a moderator or developer closes it, someone will always open another if they have something to say.

Ive noticed the attitude change of Moderators and Developers for a while and Ive posted about it before, only for that itself to be met with abuse. I think there are quite a few double standards going on around here. Its not right, and its not a great message to be sending to the belovered community.

Again my thoughts. Wonder whats next.

[Burnzoire]

I found the fact that Victor gave him a lecture about being honest just a tad funny after i got punished for doing just that today. (see sig) *waits for pm saying i am banned*

My only problem with Phlos is that he is way too fast in the fox, i can't catch him up :(

EDIT: oh and he prefers hot lapping to racing...thats just wierd :S

Hmm quicksilver, sounds like you're quite upset about this whole victor thing. Whilst I agree your post wasn't nasty, it would have upset the OP. Karma? Anyway, if you get banned I wouldn't be at all suprised. This really shouldn't be discussed outside of PMs, let alone being in your signature... talk about making things worse for yourself...

[downwiz2]

I gotta say, closing threads... I used to do it a lot on CRC, but I've learnt that a thread is over when its over, not when a moderator or developer closes it, someone will always open another if they have something to say.

Ive noticed the attitude change of Moderators and Developers for a while and Ive posted about it before, only for that itself to be met with abuse. I think there are quite a few double standards going on around here. Its not right, and its not a great message to be sending to the belovered community.

Again my thoughts. Wonder whats next.

probably angry because they see all those demo racers(money unmade). now im even more hesitant to get a lisence. thanks for the statistics Phlos! :thumb: by the way everyone was flaming for not getting a lisence, i thoguht gee everyone must have an S2 lisence. Boy, did Phlos prove that wrong! Kudos to you sir!

[downwiz2]

I found the fact that Victor gave him a lecture about being honest just a tad funny after i got punished for doing just that today. (see sig) *waits for pm saying i am banned*

My only problem with Phlos is that he is way too fast in the fox, i can't catch him up :(

EDIT: oh and he prefers hot lapping to racing...thats just wierd :S

wow lol man. Victor guy sounds like someone who spends too much time in church (Ned Flanders).:pillepall:pillepall:pillepall:pillepall

[kurent]

Read his posts and will you get this strange urge to tell him the joke about what the 5 fingers said to a face.

[Hankstar]

Can't say I feel any sympathy here.

Showing everyone private conversations between you and devs...real classy. You may not care about sharing private conversations but I guess you didn't ask the other participant in that message if he cared...

Anyway, if Vic gave you a yellow card because you snaked a guy just for posting a passing move I don't blame him...god, if it was that average a passing move, why even post? As if the guy cares what you think. Like my mum says, if you can't say something nice, get your stinkin' hands off my vodka.

This isn't a democracy, it's a private forum paid for by the developers. They get to set (and enforce) the rules. If you're going to prickle some guy for nothing, cop your yellow card like a man and don't whinge about it. Noone cares.

[mkinnov8]

I hate any of the predudice (sorry i cant spell) *waits for PEST to jump in* towards demo races. I was once one before S2 Alpha was released last year. Demo races are trying out a piece of software that if they dont like that much they dont have to buy, its not sponging or anything like that. Demo racers are not doing anything wrong.

But thats another arguement for another day.

[mkinnov8]

Can't say I feel any sympathy here.

Showing everyone private conversations between you and devs...real classy. You may not care about sharing private conversations but I guess you didn't ask the other participant in that message if he cared...

Anyway, if Vic gave you a yellow card because you snaked a guy just for posting a passing move I don't blame him...god, if it was that average a passing move, why even post? As if the guy cares what you think. Like my mum says, if you can't say something nice, get your stinkin' hands off my vodka.

This isn't a democracy, it's a private forum paid for by the developers. They get to set (and enforce) the rules. If you're going to prickle some guy for nothing, cop your yellow card like a man and don't whinge about it. Noone cares.

If rules are going to be set, they must be enforced, respected and kept too, this means that if one person gets "told off" for a particular thing, others must also. Not saying they are not, not saying they are, not even saying there needs to be evidence. But, there could be a friendlier way of actual "typed, intended tone" for want of a better way of putting it.

Demo races get accused of cracking, people who post up about laps for others to watch get flamed... Result, Mods and Devs getting openly angry on what are public areas of a forum for a community who are wanting to be here and wanted to be involved, who keep coming back, and are still taking things that double standards are still allowing to go on.

Again, just my thoughts. Im tired, im going to bed, I expect this will be closed and there will be another thread about this thread which was about another, and it goes on..

[Hankstar]

I guess that's another issue - so many threads seem to get started in response to other threads which got closed because they were getting ridiculous...it'd be nice if people wouldn't pollute the main page with stuff like that, it can't be a good impression for a new or casual user.

How about, instead of locking this thread up like it perhaps will be, just kicking it to the Rant Arena? Then it'll just die of natural causes or people can just argue in circles there until they lose interest and start another thread about another thread. This one probably should have gone to Rant Arena to begin with...

[downwiz2]

honestly...taht video with the drift pass....i dont see whats so awesome about it:shrug:....its just mediocre, i see it all the time in demo lol. and why does ATC gets yelllow card for saying the truth. geeez:really:

[Hankstar]

Opinion doesn't equal truth. What he got booked for wasn't his honesty, it was his disrespect of the OP.

I haven't seen this passing move that was apparently so average...you know why? Because noone made me click on it. I have better things to do than watch other peoples' replays. But if I did see it and thought it was average, I wouldn't have wasted my time turning my nose up at the guy for posting it. How does that help? What does it solve? In what way does it contribute? Plenty of others posted and said "well done" etc. because they liked it. Jeez, let a guy have some fun ffs. If Victor wants to book someone for acting like a snob...well that's fine - his forum, his rules. I'd expect the same if I insulted you for posting a replay which I though was lame. Plus, ATC's response of sharing his & Victor's private correspondence shows a petty side which really is not cool.

If mods/devs seem to have short fuses these days I'm not surprised. The bullsh-- factor here has risen lately and I guess they're just trying to keep up.

[tinyk]

Simply put... the more times the servers get hit retrieving info, the more bandwith that gets used. Enough hits, the server lags, then people will complain how slow the sites are. :) Easy enough to understand? Which would you rather have... a nice looking pie chart that temporarily satisfies your curiosity... or a smooth running forum? :)

Trust that the Devs have a lot more knowledge of Phlos than you do and are handling things in a way they deem appropriate. :) Do I have a problem with him? Can't say. Don't know him that well. This isn't my house though, not my call. :)

As much of a shock as this may come to some... the Devs are human :shy: and have human emotions. If you expect them to just sit back and take it when people are being obnoxious or whatever... that's not fair. :smileypul

Rules can't always be written in stone. One person who may make an annoying post... might get off easier than someone who constantly makes them. That's not a double standard. To me it says the more annoying person kept pushing things and being given one chance after another until enough is enough. :shrug:

Posting in a thread simply to insult someone is totally different than giving a negative opinion on a vid, skin, wallpaper, or whatever, that the person did. If you don't like the work, fine say you don't like it. Don't make it a personal goal to belittle the person. :shy:

I've said it before and I'll say it again, the mods and Devs are doing a wonderful job running these forums. It's not an easy job and sometimes things have to be handled by judgement calls. If a lot of people are being annoying and obnoxious at the same time... expect things to get a lot stricter than they normally would. :)

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[downwiz2]

a nice fat pie chart:)

why dont they try marketing more with the money they've raked.

[tinyk]

a nice fat pie chart:)

why dont they try marketing more with the money they've raked.Why spend money on marketing when word of mouth is doing so well? :)

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[thisnameistaken]

Why spend money on marketing when word of mouth is doing so well? :)

And when the product's not even finished yet. I'm sure they'll go nuts with the hype when S3 is out. :)

[tinyk]

And when the product's not even finished yet. very true. :)

I'm sure they'll go nuts with the hype when S3 is out. :)lol every proud poppa wants to show off his baby. :D

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[dawesdust_12]

Theres too much hate-arade going around, peeps should drive wit their homies in the crib before playa hatin and noobing peeps in the shiznit corner 1. Seriously just PEACE OUT!

Fo shizzle Yo'

[/gangsta mode]

[richo]

a nice fat pie chart:)

why dont they try marketing more with the money they've raked.

And end up with more people like your goodself?
No thanks word of mouth is just fine...


And the other point is its none of yours/mine/anybodys ****ing business what they do with the money earned from there hard work , or for that matter how much they may have earned in the first place...

I would love some smartarse to post your earning on 24/7 nonstop website

[joen]

couldn't agree more

[SamH]

It seems like some people aren't understanding what Phlos has done, probably because the whole scenario refers to an internet business which is sometimes difficult to get a proper picture of.. so I just wanted to put this in a real-world example, so everyone understands.

Live For Speed is NOT a PLC. It's a private business, privately owned, and its internal business and financial information are private.

Phlos wanted access to information about LFS, that he wasn't entitled to and Victor has made plain on many occasions that he wants to keep private, regarding the internal workings, membership and revenue of the private business. In the real world, this would be information locked in a filing cabinet, in an office with the door locked.

When Phlos was not allowed access to the information, he decided to break in and take it anyway.

Phlos then published the private business information he'd collected, that he'd stolen, in a very public place.

Victor complained that he'd 1) done it, and 2) consumed 12Gb of bandwidth in the process. This would be equivalent to leaving the place a mess with broken glass all over the place - i.e. with resulting costs that must be met by the devs.

Phlos complained that it's Victor's fault that there are costs to be met by the devs, because.. they didn't let him in willingly. They locked the door, and didn't cut him a key.

Phlos is seriously out of order. Nobody can possibly justify breaking in and stealing data that they're not entitled to. Nobody should be trying to support this effort of his, to steal and publish that information, either.

[Tweaker]

:iagree:

SamH, you always have long and thought provoking posts, and this time I read the entire thing :p heheh

[Hankstar]

Wow, if it's what happened, I think Scavier would be justified in banning him from everywhere ... *sigh* I'll never understand hotlappers :)

[Don]

and if that was the only bad thing he has done :schwitz:

[thd]

hey whats with all the hate for Phlos

He is a egoistic self-centered attention seeker with bad manners. He sucks.

[tristancliffe]

Ignoring the rest of the thread as I'm only say rude things about that snivelling pile of... whoops.

probably angry because they see all those demo racers(money unmade). now im even more hesitant to get a lisence. thanks for the statistics Phlos! :thumb: by the way everyone was flaming for not getting a lisence, i thoguht gee everyone must have an S2 lisence. Boy, did Phlos prove that wrong! Kudos to you sir!

Right, so what you're saying is - there are lots of people who have tried the demo and not bought it, and that must make it an unsafe purchase?? Or perhaps lots of people have made multiple demo licences over the past 4 or so years.

Take a look at rFactor (19 people played it an once once) and nKP (3 people have managed to load it). I think you'll see that for a niche market (not a mainstream, dumbed down arcade game like GTR or GT4 etc) LFS is pretty popular.

But anyway, if you don't want to buy it because lots of people didn't then I shall pity you quietly in my dreams and try to understand what think you aren't missing out on.

[ajp71]

Phlos did this when he knew the Devs didn't want it done, for whatever bandwidth/privacy issues, if they wanted this done then they would have displayed a figure themselves. Now the thread is locked it should be locked and displaying PMs from the Devs is asking for a ban :shrug:

[SamH]

this time I read the entire thing :p heheh
I swear, I always set out to write JUST ONE line! It just never seems to work out that way :shy: LOL!

[thisnameistaken]

OT: Sam, why "iB"? What's the "i" for?

[Albieg]

This thing only prompted me to hide my statistics the best I can. Next privacy setting to implement: hide everything.

[SamH]

OT: Sam, why "iB"? What's the "i" for?
Cuz am k00l, nowameen? <g>

It's a vague effort to simulate the keyhole shape in the Barricade logo. In its thread, [B], (B) and (iB) were proposed, to mark Barricaded servers. (iB) was the one that stuck :)

[Hankstar]

It seems like some people aren't understanding what Phlos has done, probably because the whole scenario refers to an internet business which is sometimes difficult to get a proper picture of.. so I just wanted to put this in a real-world example, so everyone understands.

Live For Speed is NOT a PLC. It's a private business, privately owned, and its internal business and financial information are private.

Phlos wanted access to information about LFS, that he wasn't entitled to and Victor has made plain on many occasions that he wants to keep private, regarding the internal workings, membership and revenue of the private business. In the real world, this would be information locked in a filing cabinet, in an office with the door locked.

When Phlos was not allowed access to the information, he decided to break in and take it anyway.

Phlos then published the private business information he'd collected, that he'd stolen, in a very public place.

Victor complained that he'd 1) done it, and 2) consumed 12Gb of bandwidth in the process. This would be equivalent to leaving the place a mess with broken glass all over the place - i.e. with resulting costs that must be met by the devs.

Phlos complained that it's Victor's fault that there are costs to be met by the devs, because.. they didn't let him in willingly. They locked the door, and didn't cut him a key.

Phlos is seriously out of order. Nobody can possibly justify breaking in and stealing data that they're not entitled to. Nobody should be trying to support this effort of his, to steal and publish that information, either.


I just wanted this on the 2nd page...

[Becky Rose]

Oh thank god for that, I thought Apple where involved... ;)

@Tristan, ironically the demo user usage compared to licensed usage actually showed a phenomenal conversion ratio - most demo software has around a 1% conversion ratio, 2% is considered good. LFS has WAY higher, and that guy wont buy LFS because there are so many demo users ... lol.

[Goop]

Hank and Tinyk for King and Queen... roles undecided :D Refreshing voices of reason here :)

Thanks to SamH for the Idiot's Guide to What Phlos Did :)

[SamH]

Oh thank god for that, I thought Apple where involved... ;)
hehe! :razz:

[thisnameistaken]

Cuz am k00l, nowameen? <g>

It's a vague effort to simulate the keyhole shape in the Barricade logo.

OK.

I'm going to leave it at "OK" because: 1) It would be a major hijack to start babbling about why I don't like it, and 2) It really doesn't matter anyway. Oh and 3) I didn't get any sleep last night, and all my concentration is required to just stay awake...

[dawesdust_12]

I leave Phlos with 1 tip: Never use 12 GB of LFSW bandwidth. We like that bandwith for seeing how many ms we are off WR's and such, not "ZOMG, THE DEVS HAVE LOTS OF MONEY!"

/me dials 911/011/411(if you really need the number to 911 or 011)

[Phlos]

:D

But don't worry people, LFSWorld.net and LFSForum.net was working nicely during "stats grabbing". Did you see that websites were "slow" ? Probably not :shrug:
So why you care about bandwidth usage now ? Because Victor told you "12 Gb" ? :scratchch

Tip : he doesn't tell you how many Gb / day LFSWorld.net and LFSForum.net uses.... :tilt:

[BurnOut69]

So what? I dont need to know that to be sure that moving 12 GB to draw a pie is a waste of resources.

[Victor]

ok i've had it now. Phlos you're banned. I'm totally sick of your smart-ass ways of conversation. I'm not even talking about what you do. We all know that already.

For those unbelievers, see attachments

[Victor]

ATC Quicksilver. You're too dumb for words to describe. You can't even take a cookie of your own dough. You say you don't care (http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=191210#post191210) and there's nothing wrong in your eyes. I say I don't care and the whole world has to know it? (everyone look at quicksilvers signature) What a dick.

Want to see me pissed? Look here.

[Victor]

closing this thread. After that I'm going on a nice moderation holiday, away from all the morons in here (sorry for those of you who aren't - I think you'll know that)

Have fun ruining this forum guys.

Later.